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A recent poster suggested, as Satan does, that disobedience leads to growth, because those who disobey have experiences that those who are obedient do not have.
A child mindlessly obeys his Daddy not because he knows or cares whether or not Daddy's rules are right, but because he wants to please Daddy. A teenager rebels against Daddy's (and everyone else's) authority and gradually learns for himself that the rules he has disobeyed are indeed "right", and why. An adult, having learned this lesson, follows the rules out of choice, out of a desire to do right, and not out of a desire to make Daddy happy.
This is growth, and it comes from disobedience. You would have us remain children forever, not knowing or caring whether we are doing right or wrong, only blindly wishing to make the Father happy.
Apparently some have not read the whole book and have relied on others view of things
Apparently some have not read the whole book and have relied on others view of things, there is not one mention of saved people going to heaven at anytime. Eternal life is offered to those who believe and obey, those who do not are promised judgement and a second death.
Oh, By the way the perfect world will be the New Jerusalem, this world is to prepare for the next, all part of the master plan. Populated by tried and tempered Godly Beings.
Adam an Eve where superior to the animals anyway, as we are now.
Do you really believe that a knowlegde of the experience of ingesting cyanide is worth it?
I've tried to make it perfectly clear that hell does not last forever, that evil is destroyed and then the world is made new, as God intended it before the flood and before sin.
Ceridwen018 said:Ronald,
Apparently some have not read the whole book and have relied on others view of things, there is not one mention of saved people going to heaven at anytime. Eternal life is offered to those who believe and obey, those who do not are promised judgement and a second death.
You're contradicting yourself here. First you say that saved people don't go to heaven, and then you say that those who accept Jesus are given eternal life. Which is it gonna be?
Eternal life=go to heaven? In whose Bible? No such thing can I find in the Bible. Commentary! Oh yes! Precepts of men! Bible Saved have eternal life HERE on the renewed Earth.
Oh, By the way the perfect world will be the New Jerusalem, this world is to prepare for the next, all part of the master plan. Populated by tried and tempered Godly Beings.
The master plan, eh? Didn't catch anything about that one when I was reading the bible.
Ceridwen018 said:Ronald,
You said that there's nothing that says anything about going to heaven, and then you said 'Eternal life is offered only to those who believe and obey'. That's a contradiction.