The Trinity

[Kolibri]

It is strange that supporters of the trinity ignore the elephant in Mathew 28:19 -- What is the name of the Holy Spirit?

I mean, how can you baptize a Christian in the name of the Holy Spirit if his name is not mentioned? Furthermore, most Christians are not baptized in the name of the Father. Maybe because the name of the Father is not even mentioned in the New Testament.

Clearly the verse at Matthew 28:19 was inserted about a hundred years later (2nd century AD) to support he trinity doctrine and thus forced upon Christians who disagreed.

Or 'in the name of' here is similar in definition to what we have heard in the phrase: 'Stop! in the name of the law!"

 

[OneThatGotAway]

Or 'in the name of' here is similar in definition to what we have heard in the phrase: 'Stop! in the name of the law!"

Good analogy; I've never looked at the phrase in that way up until now.

 

[Kolibri]

Yes knowing the roles of all 3 in our lives is imperative if we will are to be prepared to successfully live up to our dedication symbolized by our baptism

 

[kjv4me2you]

Height, depth, width equals one item of three dimensions.
Past, present, future equals one timeline.

GOD says that HE is the Alpha and the Omega. He is certainly present...

There are more than the 3 visible dimension in the universe. Remember YHWH IS INVISIBLE. Also YHWH-YaH has no past -present -future no timeline. There are no timelines or timezones in eternity.
Trying to prove a trinity God by the use of the natural mind is an exercise in futility.

willyah

 

[pearl]

We simply cannot comprehend that the ultimate Source we have named God, is incomprehensible Mystery.

 

[Kolibri]

We simply cannot comprehend that the ultimate Source we have named God, is incomprehensible Mystery.

Rubbish.

We may only know "the fringes of his ways," but Jesus "has explained Him." (Job 26:14; John 1:18)

 

[kjv4me2you]

This was not a resurrection. It was an earthquake that threw up corpses that needed to be reburied.
*** w90 9/1 p. 7 ‘Many Bodies of the Holy Ones Were Raised Up’ ***
First, whoever “the holy ones” were, Matthew did not say they were raised up. He said their bodies, or corpses, were. Second, he did not say these bodies came to life. He said they were raised up, and the Greek verb e·gei′ro, meaning to “raise up,” does not always refer to a resurrection. It can, among other things, also mean to “lift out” from a pit or to “get up” from the ground. (Matthew 12:11; 17:7; Luke 1:69) The upheaval at Jesus’ death opened tombs, tossing lifeless bodies into the open. Such occurrences during earthquakes were reported in the second century C.E. by Greek writer Aelius Aristides and more recently, in 1962, in Colombia.

This view of the event harmonizes with Bible teachings. In 1 Corinthians chapter 15, the apostle Paul gives convincing proof of the resurrection, but he completely ignores Matthew 27:52, 53. So do all other Bible writers. (Acts 2:32, 34) The corpses raised up at Jesus’ death could not have come to life in the way Epiphanius thought, for on the third day thereafter, Jesus became “the firstborn from the dead.” (Colossians 1:18) Anointed Christians, also called “holy ones,” were promised a share in the first resurrection during Christ’s presence, not in the first century.—1 Thessalonians 3:13; 4:14-17.
Most Bible commentators have difficulty explaining verse 53, although several of them suggest that verse 52 describes the opening of tombs by the earthquake and the exposing of newly buried corpses. For example, German scholar Theobald Daechsel gives the following translation: “And tombs opened up, and many corpses of saints laying at rest were lifted up.”
Who were those that “entered into the holy city” a considerable time later, namely after Jesus had been resurrected? As seen above, the exposed bodies remained lifeless, so Matthew must refer to persons who visited the tombs and brought news of the event into Jerusalem.

THIS IS LENGTHY, PERHAPS A SLOW READ OVER A PERIOD OF TIME WOULD BE IN ORDER. REMEMBER THESE ARE MY THOUGHTS REGARDING THE WORD OF GOD THEREFORE FEEL FREE TO REJECT ANY YOU DO THINK ARE CORRECT IN YOUR OPINION.

WHAT HAPPENED WHEN JESUS YIELDED UP THE GHOST

(Mat 27:50 KJV) Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

(Mat 27:51 KJV) And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

(Mat 27:52 KJV) And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

slept
G2837
koy-mah'-o
From G2749; to put to sleep, that is, (passively or reflexively) to slumber; figuratively to decease: - (be a-, fall a-, fall on) sleep,
be dead.

arose
eg-i'-ro
Probably akin to the base of G58 (through the idea of collecting one’s faculties); to waken (transitively or intransitively), that is, rouse (literally from sleep, from sitting or lying, from disease, from death; or figuratively from obscurity, inactivity, ruins, nonexistence): - awake, lift (up), raise (again, up), rear up, (a-) rise (again, up), stand, take up.

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THE ONE BODY of CHRIST

The one body of Christ are all the saints of the one resurrected living body of Christ in heaven and on earth.The one body of Christ is comprised of living saints in heaven and on earth who are all born again believers.Those saints in heaven their seed has been glorified by their obtaining of a better resurrection while those born again saints on earth are seated in heavenly places in Christ (Eph 2:5 KJV)

Even when we were dead in sins, (God) hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

(Eph 2:6 KJV) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

The seed that will become our glorified body is seated in heavenly places in Christ

A dead corpse in decay be it on earth or in the earth-grave is not made to sit as dust in heavenly places in Christ Jesus.

ISAAC DIED IN THE FAITH OF HIS FATHER ABRAHAM WHO BELIEVED IN THE RESURRECTION OF CHRIST ( Heb 11:19 ).

Abraham, Jacob and Isaac were not water baptized but it was the answer of their good conscience toward God; which was, yes, they believed they would obtain a better resurrection which of course was an eternal resurrection.

(1 Pet 3:21 KJV) The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: ( Heb 11:19 ) ( Heb 11:35)

The baptism of 1 Peter 3:21 is in the conscience and not in water. It occurrs when YHWH-YaH God speaks to the individual the word of God regarding the promises of Christ Jesus and the resurrection.

(Heb 11:13-19 KJV) These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Abraham, Jacob and Isaac confessed they were strangers and pilgrims on earth and the answer of their good consciences toward God was that they believed in the resurrection by which God would resurrect Christ.
Abraham and all believers embrace the doctrine of the resurrection. Abraham believed by faith that cometh by hearing God and Abraham heard the word of God long before the actual resurrection of Christ who went and preached to the captives in prison for three days before the seed received the glorified bodily resurrection of the immortal second man Jesus on third day,

(Heb 11:35 KJV) Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:

Abraham (Heb 11:19 KJV) Accounting that God was able to raise him ( Isaac) up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

THE SEED OF THE BORN AGAIN BELIEVER NEVER DIES

YHWH-YaH never considers the born again saint as being a dead mortal because the born again saint is saved by grace (Eph 2:5),through faith ( Eph 2:8 ) that faith of Christ ( Gal 2:16 ),

(Gal 2:16 KJV) Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in
Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law.

(Mat 27:52 KJV) And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

(Mat 27:53 KJV) And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

In Matt 27:52-53 the word "dead" appllies to their mortal man but their promised seeds were sleeping.

THE MORTAL BODY OF MAN IS NEVER BORN AGAIN RATHER IT TURNS TO DUST-CORRUPTION; WHEREAS THE IMMORTAL SEED WITHIN EVERY BORN AGAIN BELIEVER WILL BE GIVEN A GLORIFIED IMMORTAL BODY WHEN RESURRECTED-AWAKENED THAT WILL BE IN THE IMAGE OF THE GLORIFIED BODY OF CHRIST JESUS.

(1 Cor 15:38 KJV) But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

(Luke 8:11 KJV) Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

(Acts 13:37 KJV) But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.

The mortal body of Jesus died but the immortal seed sleep for 3 days until God gave that immortal seed a new heavenly glorified body.

(1 Cor 15:49 KJV) And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

THE IMMORTAL BODY OF MAN IS FOR THE BORN AGAIN SPIRIT-SEED-THE WORD OF GOD
The mortal body of man is not born again but rather it is the spirit that is born again by God a Spirit through thefaith that cometh by hearing and and hearing by the seed that is the word of God. The born again believer has the guarantee of eternal life as part of the one
body of Christ through the faith of Christ.(Gal 2:16 KJV) Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

A believers mortal flesh that liveth in pleasure is dead and therefore all mortal flesh dies once so as to be judged in the flesh. Judged in the flesh means the mortal flesh cannot return to the paradise of God from whence God drove out the mortal man to die. (Gen 3:19 KJV)

In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

(Heb 9:27 KJV) And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
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THE CHRIST SPIRIT WAS RESURRECTED FIRST AND THEN HIS FRUITS. MASHACH-CHRIST'S SPIRIT WAS RESURRECTED FIRST THEN HIS FRUITS SO THAT CHRIST WOULD BE THE FIRST FRUITS.

(1 Cor 15:18 KJV) Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

Those saints fallen asleep in Christ are those FRUITS of Christ in Matt 27:52-53

(1 Cor 15:23 KJV) But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

What are the fruits of Christ that made Christ the Firstfruits if not that those saints of Matt 27:52-53

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PLEASE READ (1 COR 15:13-24 )

(1 Cor 15:13 KJV) But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:

(1 Cor 15:14 KJV) And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

(1 Cor 15:15 KJV) Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.

(1 Cor 15:16 KJV) For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:

(1 Cor 15:17 KJV) And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

(1 Cor 15:18 KJV) Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

(1 Cor 15:19 KJV) If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

(1 Cor 15:20 KJV) But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

(1 Cor 15:21 KJV) For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

(1 Cor 15:22 KJV) For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

(1 Cor 15:23 KJV) But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

(1 Cor 15:24 KJV) Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

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The fruits of Christ ( 1 COR 15:16-19 ) are those saints that slept in ( Matt 27:52-53); thereby making Christ the Firstfruits and not the First Fruit,

(1 Cor 15:16 KJV) For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:

(1 Cor 15:17 KJV) And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

(1 Cor 15:18 KJV) Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

(1 Cor 15:19 KJV) If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

If Christ the First to be resurrected did not have those fruits-the saints of Matt 27:52-53 then Christ was not the Firstfruits and they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished (1 Cor 15:18 KJV).

(Mat 27:52 KJV) And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose
(Mat 27:53 KJV) And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

EVEN JESUS DIED ONCE BUT HE SAW NO CORRUPTION NOR WAS HE JUDGED
Jesus died once as a mortal and was dead for three days but Jesus saw no corruption-decay-dust.

It was the Christ spirit that was first resurrected to preach to the spirits sleeping in prison while the mortal body of Jesus was dead those three days before God raised Jesus with a glorified immortal body. (Acts 10:40 KJV) Him God raised up the third day, and showed him openly;
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UNDERSTANDING THE QUICK-ALIVE-IMMORTAL AND THE DEAD-MORTAL
The Christ-Mashach-Mashiach-the anointing spirit preached to those Jews who were the quick-alive in Abraham's bosom and those Jews who were dead in hell because they wrought the will of the Gentiles during their lifetime. (1 Pet 4:3 KJV) For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:


(Luke 16:23 KJV) And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
(Luke 16:24 KJV) And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
(Luke 16:25 KJV) But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
(Luke 16:26 KJV) And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

(1 Cor 15:23 KJV) But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

(1 Pet 4:4 KJV) Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:

(1 Pet 4:5 KJV) Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.

(1 Pet 4:6 KJV) For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

(John 5:28 KJV) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

(John 5:29 KJV) And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.


(1 Tim 5:6 KJV) But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.

Here is a living believer that liveth in pleasure and is dead while she liveth as a born again believer. She CANNOT NOT LIVE for she is born again by the Spirit of the living God.

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I did this study knowing that Jesus said YHWH-YaH Elohim is not the God of the dead and I read Matt 27:50-53 with that understanding . The dead mortal body of man has nothing to do with God a Spirit (John 4:24) a living God-Spirit.
Jesus understood that his Father and God was the living God who was not a God of dead mortal bodies.
It is indeed error to think these bodies of the saints in Matt 27: 50-53 were dead saints tossed out of graves since every saint is immortal upon being born again as immortal. Also the word dead is not found regarding these saints of Matt 27:52-53.

(John 3:3 KJV) Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
(John 3:4 KJV) Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
(John 3:5 KJV) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
(John 3:6 KJV) That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
(John 3:7 KJV) Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

I think John3:8 describes the born again saints as they appeared in the holy city as witnesses. Matt 27:52-53

(John 3:8 KJV) The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
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(Mat 22:29 KJV) Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

(Mat 22:30 KJV) For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

(Mat 22:31 KJV) But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,

(Mat 22:32 KJV) I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

(Mat 22:33 KJV) And when the multitude heard this, they were astonished at his doctrine.

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(Mat 22:32 KJV) I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

(Mark 12:27 KJV) He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

(Luke 20:38 KJV) For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.

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THE LAST ADAM
(1 Cor 15:45 KJV) And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Those saints of Matt 27:52-53 were quickened .

(1 Cor 15:46 KJV) Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

(1 Cor 15:47 KJV) The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is supremely-G2962 completed-in-G1537 heaven.YHWH-Yah is not ranked second anything.

YHWH-YaH is not a man and is not the second man. (Zec 14:9 KJV) And YHWH-YaH shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one YHWH-YaH, and his name-YHWH-YaH one.

(Num 23:19 KJV) God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

I believe the giving up of Jesus' ghost (the breath of life from YHWH-YaH ) is when Jesus separated from the mortality of the first Adam to become the Last Adam ( 1 Cor 15:45 ) at his resurrection by the living God. Jesus the immortal Last Adam opened the WAY back into the paradise of YHWH wherein the tree of life resides.

(John 14:4 KJV) And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

(Gen 3:24 KJV) So he-YHWH-YaH drove out the man (the first Adam) ; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

(Rev 2:7 KJV) He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

The many bodies of the saints not only went into the holy city with Jesus as witnesses by their appearing but were those that Jesus lead

as captivity captive in (Eph 4:8 KJV) Wherefore he( Christ ) saith, When he( Christ) ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

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(Mat 27:50 KJV) Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

(Mat 27:51 KJV) And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

(Mat 27:52 KJV) And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

(Mat 27:53 KJV) And came out of the graves after his-Jesus' resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

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(Mat 27:52 KJV) And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

bodies
G4983
so'-mah
From G4982; the body (as a sound whole), used in a very wide application, literally or figuratively: - bodily, body, slave.bodies

G4982
sode'-zo
From a primary word (contraction for the obsolete, “safe”); to save, that is, deliver or protect (literally or figuratively): - heal, preserve, save (self), do well, be (make) whole.

saints
G53
hag-nos'
From the same as G40; properly clean, that is, (figuratively) innocent, modest, perfect: - chaste, clean, pure.

saints
G40
hag'-ee-os
From hagos (an awful thing) compare G53, [H2282]; sacred (physically pure, morally blameless or religious, ceremonially consecrated): - (most) holy (one, thing), saint.

slept
G2837
koy-mah'-o
From G2749; to put to sleep, that is, (passively or reflexively) to slumber; figuratively to decease: - (be a-, fall a-, fall on) sleep, be dead.

G1453
arose
eg-i'-ro
Probably akin to the base of G58 (through the idea of collecting one’s faculties); to waken (transitively or intransitively), that is, rouse (literally from sleep, from sitting or lying, from disease, from death; or figuratively from obscurity, inactivity, ruins, nonexistence): - awake, lift (up), raise (again, up), rear up, (a-) rise (again, up), stand, take up.

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THE DAMSEL AROSE-G1453
(Mark 5:39 KJV) And when he was come in, he saith unto them, Why make ye this ado, and weep? the damsel is not dead, but sleepeth.

(Mark 5:40 KJV) And they laughed him to scorn. But when he had put them all out, he taketh the father and the mother of the damsel, and them that were with him, and entereth in where the damsel was lying.

(Mark 5:41 KJV) And he took the damsel by the hand, and said unto her, Talitha cumi; which is, being interpreted, Damsel, I say unto thee, arise.

(Mark 5:42 KJV) And straightway the damsel AROSE-G1453, and walked; for she was of the age of twelve years. And they were astonished with a great astonishment.

THE BODIES OF SAINTS AROSEG1453
(Mat 27:52 KJV) And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept AROSE-G1453,

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(Mat 27:53 KJV) And came-G1831 out-G1537 of the graves after his-Jesus' resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

G1831
came
ex-er'-khom-ahee
From G1537 and G2064; to issue (literally or figuratively): - come-(forth, out), depart (out of), escape, get out, go (abroad, away, forth, out, thence), proceed (forth), spread abroad.

came
G1537
ek, ex
A primary preposition denoting origin (the point whence motion or action proceeds), from, out (of place, time or cause; literally or

figuratively; direct or remote): - after, among, X are, at betwixt (-yond), by (the means of), exceedingly, (+ abundantly above), for (-th), from (among, forth, up), + grudgingly, + heartily, X heavenly, X hereby, + very highly, in, . . . ly, (because, by reason) of, off (from), on, out among (from, of), over, since, X thenceforth, through, X unto, X vehemently, with (-out). Often used in composition, with the same general import; often of completion.

came
G2064
er'-khom-ahee
Middle voice of a primary verb (used only in the present and imperfect tenses, the others being supplied by a kindred [middle voice] word,

e??e?´??µa? eleuthomai or e?´??? eltho¯; which do not otherwise occur); to come or go (in a great variety of applications, literally and figuratively): - accompany, appear, bring, come enter, fall out, go, grow, X light, X next, pass, resort, be set.

out
G1537
ek, ex
A primary preposition denoting origin (the point whence motion or action proceeds), from, out (of place, time or cause; literally or figuratively; direct or remote): - after, among, X are, at betwixt (-yond), by (the means of), exceedingly, (+ abundantly above), for (-th), from (among, forth, up), + grudgingly, + heartily, X heavenly, X hereby, + very highly, in, . . . ly, (because, by reason) of, off

(from), on, out among (from, of), over, since, X thenceforth, through, X unto, X vehemently, with (-out). Often used in composition, with the same general import; often of completion.

went
G1525
ice-er'-khom-ahee
From G1519 and G2064; to enter (literally or figuratively): - X arise, come (in, into), enter in (-to), go in (through).

went
G1519
ice
A primary preposition; to or into (indicating the point reached or entered), of place, time, or (figuratively) purpose (result, etc.); also in adverbial phrases.: - [abundant-] ly, against, among, as, at, [back-] ward, before, by, concerning, + continual, + far more exceeding, for [intent, purpose], fore, + forth, in (among, at unto, -so much that, -to), to the intent that, + of one mind, + never, of, (up-) on, + perish, + set at one again, (so) that, therefore (-unto), throughout, till, to (be, the end, -ward), (here-) until (-to), . .. ward, [where-] fore, with. Often used in composition with the same general import, but only with verbs (etc.) expressing motion (literally or figuratively.

went
G2064
er'-khom-ahee
Middle voice of a primary verb (used only in the present and imperfect tenses, the others being supplied by a kindred [middle voice] word, eleuthomai ortho¯; which do not otherwise occur); to come or go (in a great variety of applications, literally and figuratively): - accompany, appear, bring, come enter, fall out, go, grow, X light, X next, pass, resort, be set.

willyah

 

[pearl]

Rubbish.

We may only know "the fringes of his ways," but Jesus "has explained Him." (Job 26:14; John 1:18)

Explained Him? But His 'explanation' was in the time conditioned culture and language of His time.

 

[Kolibri]

Explained Him? But His 'explanation' was in the time conditioned culture and language of His time.

But never does Jesus resort to "philosophy and empty deception according to human tradition" (Col 2:8) We cannot go to Greek Philosophers to fill in the gaps in our understanding.

 

[pearl]

But never does Jesus resort to "philosophy and empty deception according to human tradition" (Col 2:8) We cannot go to Greek Philosophers to fill in the gaps in our understanding.

Then how do you gloss over the Greek philosophy within the NT itself, that 'explains' Jesus?

 

[Kolibri]

Then how do you gloss over the Greek philosophy within the NT itself, that 'explains' Jesus?

such as?

 

[Yes]

I believe I am not contradicting myself. The same being does not mean the exact same identity. In one place in scripture God identifies Himself as "I am" and in another place as Jehovah and in another place as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jabob. He is one God and the same being but with different identities. The Father is a different identity from the Son even though they are one God.

One means the same.

 

[Yes]

If God is Spirit, then how is it that Jesus is God, since Jesus was flesh?
Or is God flesh as well as spirit?
Could it be that God is all flesh, or can He only be the flesh of Christ?

Jesus is Spirit.

Jesus is a life giving Spirit, see 1 Corinthians 15:45 So it is written: The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam became a life-giving Spirit.

Did you read that scripture? That scripture says Jesus is a SPIRIT.


This scripture says the Spirit gives life; see 2 Corinthians 3:6. Jesus gives life! John 5:21.


Read this scripture:

2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

That scripture SAYS the Lord is the Spirit.

Jesus is the Spirit. Revelation 2:7, 8, 11, 17, 29; 3:6, 13, 22; 14:13; 22:17 all tell us Jesus is the Spirit.

 

[Yes]

I am not intending to be insulting. I'm just trying to be reasonable. Perhaps I should consider the following verse as well. Surely it is supportive of your position, and possibly my own.

For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. (Isaiah 9:6)

Clearly, this prophesy tells us that Jesus is God, and that this Jesus is the Eternal Father. If indeed Jesus was the fulfillment of Isaiah's prophesy, obviously given to Isaiah by God Himself, Jesus is God. And the pendulum swings in favor of One God, who is Jesus Christ, Our Eternal Father.

I'm cutting the chord now, and the pendulum is crashing to the ground.

Now you are speaking God's Truth.

 

[Yes]

The Bible does not teach that we have a conscious spiritual part of us that departs from our body at death. This is a Platonic Greek idea adopted from Hellenism's influence in the early centuries. Do you understand this?

The Bible does teach that we have a conscious spirit that departs from our body at death.

Not even death can "separate us from God's love"....that is an assurance, not of immortal life after death, but of the certainty of God's promises. (Rom 8:35-39)

If the person whom God loves is dead and does not know of God's love anymore, then that is keeping someone from God's love.
Your beliefs say death keeps us from God's love.

 

[moorea944]

The Bible does teach that we have a conscious spirit that departs from our body at death.



If the person whom God loves is dead and does not know of God's love anymore, then that is keeping someone from God's love.
Your beliefs say death keeps us from God's love.

No, not really. I'll explain it to you. When we die, we are dead, until Christ returns and raises us from the dead, then gives us our promises. Your "immortal soul" is not found in the bible. Those two words are NEVER together in scripture. And, doesnt the bible say that the "soul" can die? Yes, it does.

Death does not keep us from God's love. His love will raise us up from death. And hopefully, by God's love and grace, we will be granted immortality.

"In death, you cannot praise God". Why do you say we can?....

 

[Yes]

No, not really. I'll explain it to you. When we die, we are dead, until Christ returns and raises us from the dead, then gives us our promises. Your "immortal soul" is not found in the bible. Those two words are NEVER together in scripture. And, doesnt the bible say that the "soul" can die? Yes, it does.

Death does not keep us from God's love. His love will raise us up from death. And hopefully, by God's love and grace, we will be granted immortality.

Your beliefs say our death keeps us from God's love.

"In death, you cannot praise God". Why do you say we can?....

The Old Testament is about earthly man. The New Testament is about spiritual man.

 

[moorea944]

Your beliefs say our death keeps us from God's love.


The Old Testament is about earthly man. The New Testament is about spiritual man.

No, not at all. Again, the soul can die. Well, I guess that's it for the immortal soul....

A soul is just a person. Someone who is just alive, living and breathing. That's all.

And your other comment on earthly and spiritual man makes no sense at all. Can you give us a verse that says that? The OT and NT is one book.

 

[Yes]

No, not at all. Again, the soul can die.

The body can die, but the spirit cannot die. The soul is a body with a spirit. The body with the spirit cannot die. The body alone can die.

Well, I guess that's it for the immortal soul....

A soul is just a person. Someone who is just alive, living and breathing. That's all.

And your other comment on earthly and spiritual man makes no sense at all. Can you give us a verse that says that?

Read these scriptures carefully:


Romans 7:4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

Did you see that?

The Old Testament is about the realm of the FLESH.

The New Testament is about the realm of the Spirit.

The OT and NT is one book.

Old Testament means Old Covenant.
New Testament means New Covenant.

 

[moorea944]

The body can die, but the spirit cannot die. The soul is a body with a spirit. The body with the spirit cannot die. The body alone can die.



Read these scriptures carefully:


Romans 7:4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

Did you see that?

The Old Testament is about the realm of the FLESH.

The New Testament is about the realm of the Spirit.



Old Testament means Old Covenant.
New Testament means New Covenant.

Read Romans 7 again. And start with verse 1. It has nothing to do with what your talking about.