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How can trusting in Christ alone be egotism?
doppelgänger;887833 said:By mistaking the sign for the thing signified.
All signs point to the glory of God. What is your sign pointing to?
All signs point to the glory of God. What is your sign pointing to?
The Emancipation of Man by the light of God's glory.
doppelgänger;887847 said:Don't you mean "from," Conor?
What's the difference?
Yes. Quite.Man projects an ideation of himself which creates "God" and the Man worships thus a shadow of his own Self, a mysterious Other that he is by his own ego compelled to idealize and adore whilst abstracting what is good about himself unto this supralogical Weird and then wallowing in whatever is left, endlessly seeking control mechanisms to be like the illusory thing he has put in heavens above.
However, realization of this clincal self-deception can free man from the cage of his own delusion, a la the Buddha, Christ, Krishna, Mani, Krishnamurti and others.
Christ's followers are spread throughout all Churches, who profess Christ as their savior...Does anyone agree that the true chuch is not a particular religous organziation like the LDS Church, Roman Catholic Church, Bapist Church, Methodist Church, etc? The true church consists of all sinners who have been converted to Christ, or united to Him through faith in Christ?
Ask the right questions, be specific...I prayed, but I did not get a burning of the bosom.
Right because the true church of Christ includes all churches who profess Christ as their savior, but the LDS church contains the "fullness" of Christ's gospel, which is necessary to obtain the highest degree of glory, where God the Father and the Son dwellGod told me that the Mormon Church is not the true one.
You don't need to look any further, there are true Christian churches all around you. I personally love all Evangelical/Pentacostal churches. They seem to add to my walk with Christ, but they (all other Christian churches) still they don't have any of the necessary saving ordinances which are required for exaltation with the Father and the Son...I'm still looking.
but they sure are out there in the world, living the gospel by their good example. i know lots and lots of good Catholics who have lived the good news and been an example for me...Never in the 41 years of my life have I ever received or greeted a Catholic missionary at my door preaching any news, good or otherwise.
There are an awful lot of people out there who do these things, but I doubt you'd say they were part of the "true Church..."those doing the will of God . and doing what Jesus commanded them to do . matthew 28;19-20 matthew 24;14 and by their fruits you will recognize them. and they will have love among themselves. just as Jesus said they would.
Jesus said: "By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves." (John 13:35)
I agree, but you'll never prove it to anyone who is a Biblical iconolatrist.Actually there are 4 marks to the true church.
1)." the Church Is One (Rom. 12:5, 1 Cor. 10:17, 12:13, CCC 813822)
Jesus established only one Church, not a collection of differing churches (Lutheran, Baptist, Anglican, and so on). The Bible says the Church is the bride of Christ (Eph. 5:2332). Jesus can have but one spouse, and his spouse is the Catholic Church.His Church also teaches just one set of doctrines, which must be the same as those taught by the apostles (Jude 3). This is the unity of belief to which Scripture calls us (Phil. 1:27, 2:2). Although some Catholics dissent from officially-taught doctrines, the Churchs official teachersthe pope and the bishops united with himhave never changed any doctrine. Over the centuries, as doctrines are examined more fully, the Church comes to understand them more deeply (John 16:1213), but it never understands them to mean the opposite of what they once meant.
2).The Church Is Holy (Eph. 5:2527, Rev. 19:78, CCC 823829)
By his grace Jesus makes the Church holy, just as he is holy. This doesnt mean that each member is always holy. Jesus said there would be both good and bad members in the Church (John 6:70), and not all the members would go to heaven (Matt. 7:2123). But the Church itself is holy because it is the source of holiness and is the guardian of the special means of grace Jesus established, the sacraments (cf. Eph. 5:26).
3). The Church Is Catholic (Matt. 28:1920, Rev. 5:910, CCC 830856)
Jesus Church is called catholic ("universal" in Greek) because it is his gift to all people. He told his apostles to go throughout the world and make disciples of "all nations" (Matt. 28:1920). For 2,000 years the Catholic Church has carried out this mission, preaching the good news that Christ died for all men and that he wants all of us to be members of his universal family (Gal. 3:28). Nowadays the Catholic Church is found in every country of the world and is still sending out missionaries to "make disciples of all nations" (Matt. 28:19).The Church Jesus established was known by its most common title, "the Catholic Church," at least as early as the year 107, when Ignatius of Antioch used that title to describe the one Church Jesus founded. The title apparently was old in Ignatiuss time, which means it probably went all the way back to the time of the apostles.
4). The Church Is Apostolic (Eph. 2:1920, CCC 857865)
The Church Jesus founded is apostolic because he appointed the apostles to be the first leaders of the Church, and their successors were to be its future leaders. The apostles were the first bishops, and, since the first century, there has been an unbroken line of Catholic bishops faithfully handing on what the apostles taught the first Christians in Scripture and oral Tradition (2 Tim. 2:2). These beliefs include the bodily Resurrection of Jesus, the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist, the sacrificial nature of the Mass, the forgiveness of sins through a priest, baptismal regeneration, the existence of purgatory, Marys special role, and much more even the doctrine of apostolic succession itself.Early Christian writings prove the first Christians were thoroughly Catholic in belief and practice and looked to the successors of the apostles as their leaders. What these first Christians believed is still believed by the Catholic Church. No other Church can make that claim."
These quotes are taken directly from here: http://www.catholic.com/library/pillar.asp
Enjoy!:yes:
The "Bible" didn't exist when this was written. This letter was not considered to be scriptural until later. What were being referred to were the Hebrew scriptures.The scriptures obviously mean the Bible. What's their to prove? We're not talking about the Qur'an here. If you read 2 Timothy 3, you would understand what he is talking about:
"Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith." 2 Timothy 3:8
Now what did Moses write?
I thought the Church was founded on Christ...I would agree, but we always ask people to pray about it, and not just take our word for it. The church is founded on personal revelation.
I would agree that no one denomination or organization has the market cornered on the Body of Christ. But the Body of Christ is organic and is organized into something recognizable. That some parts of the Body call themselves one thing and some another is only corollary.Does anyone agree that the true chuch is not a particular religous organziation like the LDS Church, Roman Catholic Church, Bapist Church, Methodist Church, etc? The true church consists of all sinners who have been converted to Christ, or united to Him through faith in Christ?
So, what church shoud I join? I want to join the one true church. Which one is it, and why?
doppelgänger;887833 said:By mistaking the sign for the thing signified.