The True Church

[Aqualung]

Simple Logic,

Good. Write it all out in simple logical terms (premises supporting and followed by conclusion). That shouldn't be too hard, if it's simple logic.

 

[FFH]

Revelation 19:7:

Let us rejoice and be glad
and give him glory!
For the wedding of the Lamb has come,
and his bride has made herself ready.

Excellent example !!

We are the bride of Christ and we'll soon sit down to a feast with Christ and drink "wine well refined on the lees" in the heavens.

Those who are worthy at his coming (Christ's first appearing) will be called from the "four corners" of the earth and will sit down to the "marriage supper of the lamb"...

 

[Ronald]

Aqualung & FFH I has already been done, and the closest verse to going to heaven is Ec 12:7 also the one you guys say is god said that Resurrection happens after the triulation, after the heavenly signs, so you hopefuls are just that Hopefuls!
You will be saved but the streets of Gold you hope to tread you will only look upon them from the outside. Without your ADDER inspired books you will never enter the city by it's gates. Y H V H never changes,never changed the times and the Torah, men have done all that and if a man can save go to him and be saved, if an man can get you a seat at the kings table, have that man produce the placemat with your name upon it.
But, alas, only Y H V H gets to choose those who will sit at his table. You nor I get to choose! it is our duty to perform the will of God, if we do it well enough, if we lead or plant and husband in the world he created and said for us to perform, do my will and you will inheirit a great portion, sit on your salvation and await the end! The end of the age will come and you will have your reward, salvation. Bravo! It could have been so much more, had you only done his will and tend his sheep and the garden.

Shalom

 

[Aqualung]

Aqualung & FFH I has already been done, and the closest verse to going to heaven is Ec 12:7 also the one you guys say is god said that Resurrection happens after the triulation, after the heavenly signs, so you hopefuls are just that Hopefuls!
You will be saved but the streets of Gold you hope to tread you will only look upon them from the outside. Without your ADDER inspired books you will never enter the city by it's gates. Y H V H never changes,never changed the times and the Torah, men have done all that and if a man can save go to him and be saved, if an man can get you a seat at the kings table, have that man produce the placemat with your name upon it.
But, alas, only Y H V H gets to choose those who will sit at his table. You nor I get to choose! it is our duty to perform the will of God, if we do it well enough, if we lead or plant and husband in the world he created and said for us to perform, do my will and you will inheirit a great portion, sit on your salvation and await the end! The end of the age will come and you will have your reward, salvation. Bravo! It could have been so much more, had you only done his will and tend his sheep and the garden.

Shalom

Was that answering my question? Because it didn't. Oh, don't get me wrong. It's fine if you were going off on a tangent. But I just want to make sure we're both clear on what is happening (and not happening) here.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

Excellent example !!

We are the bride of Christ and we'll soon sit down to a feast with Christ and drink "wine well refined on the lees" in the heavens.

Those who are worthy at his coming (Christ's first appearing) will be called from the "four corners" of the earth and will sit down to the "marriage supper of the lamb"...

How come Mormons cannot drink wine now, but are able to drink wine with Jesus? What was the first miracle of Jesus, changing water to wine?

 

[Ronald]

Not one line was written of the NT unless you think Paul's letters are what he was talking about! Admitted, Paul had hutzpah, but not that much!
Paul had too much chokmah to do that. Do the math there was only the copies of the Hebrews scriptures until Paul was dead and buried.
Shalom

 

[Bishka]

How come Mormons cannot drink wine now, but are able to drink wine with Jesus? What was the first miracle of Jesus, changing water to wine?

Doctrines and Principles never change. Commandments and laws do. For example, the doctrine of "our body is a temple" (coming from the New Testament) is a unchanging and eternal one. The law/commandment that goes with that is the Word of Wisdom (which prohibits drinking alcohol). There are different laws/commandments for different times, but the doctrine and principles always stay the same.

 

[Kaysar]

Marks of the True Church

1. Believes that Jesus Christ is God. John 1:1

2. Has no Head of the church but Jesus. Ephesians 5:23

3. Teaches truth not Denominationalism. Mark 7:7-8

4. Teaches that The Bible is the True Word of God, and is without error. 2 Timothy 3:16-17

5. Teaches that Authority comes from the word of God not leaders in the Church. 1 Thessalonians 4:2, Acts 2:42

6. Teaches Believers Baptism. Mark 16:16

7. Teaches that Repentance and Baptism is for the Forgiveness of Sins and the way to receive the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:38, Romans 6:3-4

8. Teaches that Jesus is the only way to heaven. Acts 4:12

9. Teaches that Sinners will go to Hell. Revelation 21:8, 20:11-15

10. Takes care of the Poor. James 1:27

11. And does the Great Commission. Matthew 28:18-20

I agree 100% with your post. And when you look around and see how many churches have the mark of truth on them, you will find only a handful out of literally thousands of churches. It is documented that in the end times there will be a famine for God's word.

 

[wizanda]

I agree 100% with your post. And when you look around and see how many churches have the mark of truth on them, you will find only a handful out of literally thousands of churches. It is documented that in the end times there will be a famine for God's word.

Luk 18:6-8
(6) And the Lord said, Hear what the unjust judge saith.
(7) And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
(8) I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

Finding One True Faith is their one?

 

[FFH]

How come Mormons cannot drink wine now, but are able to drink wine with Jesus? What was the first miracle of Jesus, changing water to wine?

We can drink pure wine of our own make...

I've never tried it, but technically we could make our own mild wine and it would be fine to drink, not like tha hard liquor wines we see produced today.

Doctrine and Covenants 89: 6
And, behold, this should be wine, yea, pure wine of the grape of the vine, of your own make.

If we are worthy we will all sit down with Christ and have a great feast and drink "pure" wine...

Isauah 25: 6
And in this mountain shall the LORD of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things,a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.

Doctrine and Covenants 58: 8
And also that a feast of fat things might be prepared for the poor; yea, a feast of fat things, of wine on the lees well refined, that the earth may know that the mouths of the prophets shall not fail;

Revelation 19: 9
And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

Doctrine and Covenants 58: 11
And after that cometh the day of my power; then shall the poor, the lame, and the blind, and the deaf, come in unto the marriage of the Lamb, and partake of the supper of the Lord, prepared for the great day to come.

 

[may]

Who is a "true Christian?"

those doing the will of God . and doing what Jesus commanded them to do . matthew 28;19-20 matthew 24;14 and by their fruits you will recognize them. and they will have love among themselves. just as Jesus said they would.
Jesus said: "By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves." (John 13:35)

 

[may]

Yes and that's why we need God's help to discern what is inspired scripture and what has been altered from the original Old and New Testament texts.

Peace

its good to know that in these last days true knowledge is now abundant Daniel 12;4
Read the Bible Online

 

[Aqualung]

Not one line was written of the NT unless you think Paul's letters are what he was talking about! Admitted, Paul had hutzpah, but not that much!
Paul had too much chokmah to do that. Do the math there was only the copies of the Hebrews scriptures until Paul was dead and buried.
Shalom

Say... I was wondering, were you ever going to explain the simple logic, or is that just a lost cause? You slay me Ronald...

 

[Aqualung]

I agree 100% with your post. And when you look around and see how many churches have the mark of truth on them, you will find only a handful out of literally thousands of churches. It is documented that in the end times there will be a famine for God's word.

Oh, good. Then maybe you can answer my question in reference to point 4, since the OP has conveniently dissappeared:

This teaches that all SCRIPTURE is the word of god and without error. But you are missing a logical step. This is what you say:

P1: All scripture is given of God and perfect - 2 Tim...

C: Therefore, the Bible is perfect.

Your conclusion is not based on your premises. In order for this to be true, you have to prove a second premise:

P1: All scripture is given of God etc.
P2: God has stated that the Bible is scripture

C: Therefore, the Bible is perfect, etc.

You have not proved P2, and therefore you conclusion DOES NOT FOLLOW.

 

[Scott1]

Marks of the True Church

The Church is ONE
The Church is HOLY
The Church is CATHOLIC (re: universal)
The Church is APOSTOLIC

 

[Ronald]

The Church is ONE
The Church is HOLY
The Church is CATHOLIC (re: universal)
The Church is APOSTOLIC

Everyone with a living brain cell and knowledge of this forum knew Scott would post this!

But he is also wrong, the First Congregation was the first church! Glory be! It's Jewish!
Children of Israel.

The first Church and the only Church will remain the Children of Israel, the Nations are grafted in members.

Shalom

 

[athanasius]

Everyone with a living brain cell and knowledge of this forum knew Scott would post this!

But he is also wrong, the First Congregation was the first church! Glory be! It's Jewish!
Children of Israel.

The first Church and the only Church will remain the Children of Israel, the Nations are grafted in members.

Shalom

Actually the apostles held a council in Acts 15 and decided that you didn't ever have to be Jewish to be a part of the church. However all christians wether their ancestor were jews or gentiles were spiritually fullfillment of Judaism. Hey I got a 9 minute video about this in the Catholic forum you ought to watch.

 

[Kaysar]

Luk 18:6-8
(6) And the Lord said, Hear what the unjust judge saith.
(7) And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
(8) I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

Finding One True Faith is their one?

I'm not understanding your question; can you clarify?

 

[FFH]

the First Congregation was the first church! Glory be! It's Jewish!
Children of Israel.

No, Adam set up the first church when he built an alter and offered a prayer unto God, outside the Garden of Eden, after being expelled from it..

 

[Kaysar]

Oh, good. Then maybe you can answer my question in reference to point 4, since the OP has conveniently dissappeared:

This teaches that all SCRIPTURE is the word of god and without error. But you are missing a logical step. This is what you say:

P1: All scripture is given of God and perfect - 2 Tim...

C: Therefore, the Bible is perfect.

Your conclusion is not based on your premises. In order for this to be true, you have to prove a second premise:

P1: All scripture is given of God etc.
P2: God has stated that the Bible is scripture

C: Therefore, the Bible is perfect, etc.

You have not proved P2, and therefore you conclusion DOES NOT FOLLOW.

The scriptures obviously mean the Bible. What's their to prove? We're not talking about the Qur'an here. If you read 2 Timothy 3, you would understand what he is talking about:

"Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith." 2 Timothy 3:8

Now what did Moses write?