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The True Church
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Mickey Mouse
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doppelgänger;884532 said:
Interesting thoughts! So, you reject traditional Christianity. Are you teaching that you can reject personal faith in Jesus Christ and be awakening to the Spirit of Love, and still be part of the body of Christ?
Have you put all traditional Christian missionaries out of business? How about the great commission in the Bible?
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
Not for anyone but myself. I'm a free agent of the Spirit. I am commanded not to be a slave to words or the Law but to be free in Love. What you want to be is up to you . . .
"Personal faith in Jesus Christ" is just meaningless cultural noise to me, so I can't answer this question.
I can spread the gospel without all the words and silly made-up doctrines.
It's love, Brother - letting go of my self to find that others are me. We are all one in Unity. All appearances to the contrary are mere egotism and miss the mark.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
"Traditional" Christian missionaries failed miserably in most cases. With regard to the Great Commission: "Preach the gospel. use words if you have to."
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
doppelgänger;884532 said:
Isn't that spell-casting, though? The rearranging of symbols and mental associations in order to reach an enlightment (or more accurately, "...in order to be")?
As a spell-caster, I am stepping back into the Old Garden one step and spell at a time.
Mickey Mouse
Member
So, what other ways is there than Preaching the gospel?
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
Isn't that spell-casting, though? The rearranging of symbols and mental associations in order to reach an enlightment (or more accurately, "...in order to be")?
As a spell-caster, I am stepping back into the Old Garden one step and spell at a time.
No, that happens outside the words, Mike. The symbols can't do that and any attempt to harness it in symbols destroys the mystery. We use words because that's what you and I have. But the mystery represented by "Christ in me" or "tat tvam asi" is ineffable, and beyond the power of any spell-casting.
but true christians who have Jesus christ with them have acheived just what he asked them to do matthew 28;19-20 matthew 24;14. and the witness goes on . and it is GOODNEWS indeed, especially in the days since 1914 when the heavenly kingdom was set up in the heavens ,and Jesus was given the kingship Daniel 2;44 Daniel 7;13-14 when the angels are behind a work, it is a global goodnews that is being heralded.
(Revelation 14:6) And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, ...............yes its all happening in the time of the end .
lunamoth
Will to love
Listen, love.
lunamoth
Will to love
lunamoth
Will to love
"Laugh" might be even better.
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
Who are you who is so wise in the ways of science?
The evangelist of the Spirit preaches by listening.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
doppelgänger;884576 said:
Ah! I think I get you. It is not the symbols, but the realization through looking beyond the symbols, right?
In a way, I still see the spell-casting as an important part of reaching that state. By comparing and contrasting (discussing and debating) symbols, we are casting spells that reach beyond our personal worlds, forcing us to no longer look at the symbols, but the emptiness beyond them. We are trapped by our literary fences, but through them, we can look above into the Garden beyond. (Kind of like breaking down the fence with a piece of it?)
And that is the True Church, isn't it? The Garden beyond the symbols.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
"The reason why we have two ears and only one mouth is that we may listen the more and talk the less." - Zeno.
Agreed!
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
Right. Follow the signs to that which is signified. As pointers, the symbols help, but how some follow them and and others can't . . .
Hmmmm . . . maybe.
Yes, this I agree with heartily. But what enables a person to take that quest outside the world of their fixed symbols in the first instance? Yes, the spell-casting is an enlightening trip, but the ability to take it . . . ?
Perhaps it comes of tragedy and loss that breaks me open to the experience of being beyond my static identity.
"True Church" and "Garden" understood themselves as symbols for the ineffable - yes.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
doppelgänger;884609 said:Right. Follow the signs to that which is signified. As pointers, the symbols help, but how some follow them and and others can't . . .
Yes, this I agree with heartily. But what enables a person to take that quest outside the world of their fixed symbols in the first instance? Yes, the spell-casting is an enlightening trip, but the ability to take it . . . ?
Perhaps it comes of tragedy and loss that breaks me open to the experience of being beyond my static identity.
I had a discussion with some others (that I won't personally identify) in chat last night about mysticism and abuse. A common theme of how rising above abuse through a mystical experience developed briefly. I wonder if that isn't one of the keys; dissociating from oneself in order to survive abuse is mystical and removes many of the "I" and "not-I" symbols that keeps us from experiencing the True Church/Garden.
That is, in fact, a part of the first post of the first blog I am working on as we speak!
Aqualung
Tasty
How do you know it means tanuk? The question is the same for you as it was for him.
Simple Logic, that was all the scripture there was in that day. A New Testament was not to be had before at least the third or fourth century. Just how did Paul live that long, to comment on the New testament?
Paul, Saint (circa AD3-62)
The Jews were entrusted with the "Oracles of God."
Shalom