The truth about 9/11

[Sunstone]

well...it's Architects and Engineers for the 9\11 truth who say it.
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Were these "architects and engineers" wearing their tin foil hats when they came up with their "theories". I want to make sure their "theories" weren't influenced by secret CIA particle waves being beamed at them.

 

[Revoltingest]

Brit TV did a docu a few years ago about the collapse of the WTC towers with diagrams, computer sims, interviews with architects and construction industry experts and so on, and concluded that the burning jet fuel melted the internal steel truss framework, causing the collapses.
That was just their guess of course; I wonder what temperature steel melts at?
The show also said there's a saying in the building industry- "Never trust a truss", but apparently trusses are cheaper than some other methods.
But in defence of the builders, they never knew terrorists would one day fly airliners into the towers..

It would be impossible for the building to fall because of melted steel (about 2500F)
structure because it would fail earlier by loss of strength ("creep") at much lower
temperatures, less than 1000F (depending upon alloying elements).

 

[Estro Felino]

It would be impossible for the building to fall because of melted steel (about 2500F)
structure because it would fail earlier by loss of strength ("creep") at much lower
temperatures, less than 1000F (depending upon alloying elements).

yeah...given that people could use the stairs from the upper floors...it means that the plane didn't reach the core structure, where elevators and stairways were.

and Logic and Physics suggest that after that the steel structure failed, the upper part of the building would have snapped in the point of impact. And this huge upper part would have fallen outside of the skyscraper footprint.

but neither of the towers collapsed that way. why?

 

[Estro Felino]

Besides...the pulverization of concrete is the smoking gun-
come on, guys...let's be serious...can fire turn concrete into dust?
It wasn't even ash. It was dust

 

[Revoltingest]

Besides...the pulverization of concrete is the smoking gun-
come on, guys...let's be serious...can fire turn concrete into dust?
It wasn't even ash. It was dust

What percentage of the concrete turned to dust?

For reference (Wikipedia):

Up to about 300 °C, the concrete undergoes normal thermal expansion. Above that temperature, shrinkage occurs due to water loss; however, the aggregate continues expanding, which causes internal stresses. Up to about 500 °C, the major structural changes are carbonatation and coarsening of pores. At 573 °C, quartz undergoes rapid expansion due to phase transition, and at 900 °C calcite starts shrinking due to decomposition. At 450-550 °C the cement hydrate decomposes, yielding calcium oxide. Calcium carbonate decomposes at about 600 °C. Rehydration of the calcium oxide on cooling of the structure causes expansion, which can cause damage to material which withstood fire without falling apart. Concrete in buildings that experienced a fire and were left standing for several years shows extensive degree of carbonatation from carbon dioxide which is reabsorbed.

 

[Revoltingest]

yeah...given that people could use the stairs from the upper floors...it means that the plane didn't reach the core structure, where elevators and stairways were.

and Logic and Physics suggest that after that the steel structure failed, the upper part of the building would have snapped in the point of impact. And this huge upper part would have fallen outside of the skyscraper footprint.

but neither of the towers collapsed that way. why?

You cite physics, but where are your diagrams showing the structure & failure mode?

 

[factseeker88]

Were these "architects and engineers" wearing their tin foil hats when they came up with their "theories". I want to make sure their "theories" weren't influenced by secret CIA particle waves being beamed at them.

Revenge for the needless deaths of relatives or good friends is the strongest motive to get even, stronger by far than any kooky religious reasons.

 

[YmirGF]

Why is it that those who purport to know the "truth" about 9/11 offer so little that is either believable or true?

 

[McBell]

With no documented proof, all you have are pointless assertions.

Oh, you mean just like the OP?

 

[Estro Felino]

Why is it that those who purport to know the "truth" about 9/11 offer so little that is either believable or true?

well....shall we speak about conspirationists?
yes...there are tens of paranoids on youtube. They post the absurdest videos.
An example is the conspiracy theory that clams that Obama is actually Bin Laden after a plastic surgery.

I'm not saying that there was a conspiracy, as for the 9 11. I just say that there are some things which are unclear from a scientific point of view. Full stop

 

[Wirey]

I just say that there are some things which are unclear from a scientific point of view. Full stop

Actually, they're very clear if you know science. And are sane.

 

[MattersOfTheHeart]

The Petrodollar started in 1970 and was tied to US currency up until right before 9/11. Saddam Hussein decided to change it to the Euro and ****** off basically everyone in the Bush Circle and US muscle concerned with currency affairs.

Take a moment and look up the Petrodollar, it may surprise you.

9/11 was hatched to rally American Support to go to the Middle East. Yet to keep focus off the Petrodollar debacle going on, attention was placed on Al Qaeda a close neighbor of Saddam, which it turns out Iraq was close enough for half of the US to support invading Iraq. Immediately the Petrodollar was changed back to US currency.

We then were stuck or maybe happy to continue the charade of spreading democracy now that the petrodollar was secured.

This is the most reasonable conspiracy theory I am aware of.

 

[YmirGF]

The Petrodollar started in 1970 and was tied to US currency up until right before 9/11. Saddam Hussein decided to change it to the Euro and ****** off basically everyone in the Bush Circle and US muscle concerned with currency affairs.

Take a moment and look up the Petrodollar, it may surprise you.

9/11 was hatched to rally American Support to go to the Middle East. Yet to keep focus off the Petrodollar debacle going on, attention was placed on Al Qaeda a close neighbor of Saddam, which it turns out Iraq was close enough for half of the US to support invading Iraq. Immediately the Petrodollar was changed back to US currency.

We then were stuck or maybe happy to continue the charade of spreading democracy now that the petrodollar was secured.

This is the most reasonable conspiracy theory I am aware of.

You're not very good at this, are you?

 

[MattersOfTheHeart]

You're not very good at this, are you?

Oh come on, can't I throw a theory in for consideration?

 

[MattersOfTheHeart]

In 2002 I wrote an award-winning online essay that asserted Saddam Hussein sealed his fate when he announced in September 2000 that Iraq was no longer going to accept dollars for oil being sold under the UN’s Oil-for-Food program, and decided to switch to the euro as Iraq’s oil export currency.[4]
Indeed, my original pre-war hypothesis was validated in a Financial Times article dated June 5, 2003, which confirmed Iraqi oil sales returning to the international markets were once again denominated in U.S. dollars – not euros.
The tender, for which bids are due by June 10, switches the transaction back to dollars -- the international currency of oil sales - despite the greenback's recent fall in value. Saddam Hussein in 2000 insisted Iraq's oil be sold for euros, a political move, but one that improved Iraq's recent earnings thanks to the rise in the value of the euro against the dollar [5]

Source

 

[Revoltingest]

Actually, they're very clear if you know science. And are sane.

I detect pyramid electricity generator science.

 

[MattersOfTheHeart]

The conspiracy is that the above mentioned scenario, just happened to be timed so perfectly with the events of 9/11.
Just happened to be a coincidence that the Bush family and Cheney cohorts just happened to be in office. That they just happened to be some of the largest families and players effected by this petrodollar shift.

It's all just so cozy don't ya think?

 

[Alt Thinker]

The conspiracy is that the above mentioned scenario, just happened to be timed so perfectly with the events of 9/11.
Just happened to be a coincidence that the Bush family and Cheney cohorts just happened to be in office. That they just happened to be some of the largest families and players effected by this petrodollar shift.

It's all just so cozy don't ya think?

I think it is highly suspicious that Bush chose a VP who was Secretary of Defense during a war with Iraq, a Secretary of State who was Joint Chiefs Chairman during a war with Iraq and a Secretary of Defense who twice before held that post in wartime. And when the US was attacked by a group based in Afghanistan Bush did his very best to start a war with Iraq.

But I also find it highly suspicious to think that a conspiracy should be hatched to implicate Al Qaeda in order to go to war with Iraq. How exactly would the attack have been arranged without major risk of the conspiracy being discovered by media who were mostly hostile to Bush? It seems much more likely that 9/11 took Bush by surprise but he saw an opportunity. The rather deaparate attempts to switch focus from Afghanistan to Iraq show that. If 9/11 were really a conspiracy a far better job of setting up Iraq for the fall would have been arranged.

 

[MattersOfTheHeart]

I think it is highly suspicious that Bush chose a VP who was Secretary of Defense during a war with Iraq, a Secretary of State who was Joint Chiefs Chairman during a war with Iraq and a Secretary of Defense who twice before held that post in wartime. And when the US was attacked by a group based in Afghanistan Bush did his very best to start a war with Iraq.

But I also find it highly suspicious to think that a conspiracy should be hatched to implicate Al Qaeda in order to go to war with Iraq. How exactly would the attack have been arranged without major risk of the conspiracy being discovered by media who were mostly hostile to Bush? It seems much more likely that 9/11 took Bush by surprise but he saw an opportunity. The rather deaparate attempts to switch focus from Afghanistan to Iraq show that. If 9/11 were really a conspiracy a far better job of setting up Iraq for the fall would have been arranged.

Oh I agree with you mostly.

For fun though, you could play with the connections that the Bin Laden and Bush family has going back to the Mid 1900's all based around oil.

Again all in fun though.

 

[Alt Thinker]

Oh I agree with you mostly.

For fun though, you could play with the connections that the Bin Laden and Bush family has going back to the Mid 1900's all based around oil.

Again all in fun though.

That is the Bin Laden family, not Osama himself. The Bin Laden family is enormous and spread all over the Near and Middle East as well as the US. They are practically a small country in their own right. Since so much oil comes from that part of the world, it is virtually impossible to be in the oil business and not shake hands with someone who has shaken hands with some unsavory person.