The UK's Greatest Prime Minister died this morning.

[Alceste]

At the time of her power I was a little Local Liberal party Chairman (pre lib dems) and worked my socks off against her party and policies.
There is no one I have ever hated, but her, and perhaps hitler come close.

I did not respect her then and I can see no reason to respect her now.
I can understand how people, who were badly damaged by her policies, would want to continue to demonstrate their outrage now.

The present conservatives are glorifying her in death, and hope to gain advantage from it in next months local elections. The fact is that by doing so, they are reminding everyone that they are now and were then the "Nasty party"

It is interesting how quiet the British National Party and the United kingdom Independence parties are keeping, I find it hard to believe they will remain so.

I also find it strange that the Queen and Prince Philip are attending while the other Royals have declined.

I think the Royals are rebranding themselves. Liz and Philip are retaining the loyalties of the elderly, still-voting-but-soon-to-be-dead rich tories and Harry and whatserface are trying to win over everybody else.

 

[oldbadger]

I don't "find this difficult", I've just never in my life met anyone who liked or admired Margaret Thatcher, and I lived in Cornwall for two years. Even the most conservative Brit I know did not like or admire Thatcher.

So how did she keep winning office, repeatedly...... any ideas?

That was the point of my bringing him up. He admires Hitler, but was disappointed by Thatcher.

Disappointed...... not hating then? Sounds like a nice bloke. Have you reminded him of the holocaust?

And in the entire spectrum of Brits I've met from that guy to my hubby's mum, who used to lovingly read the works of Chairman Mao in her youth, you're the only Brit I've ever talked to who admired or liked anything about Margaret Thatcher.

You see....... you will never know us. We have a mindset called 'out of order'. This kicks in when something, anything is happening that we just..... don't like. In these situations we often put everything to one side....... and give support where we never thought we would. Admire Thatcher? Yes, I think I do. Like her (at all?). No, I think I don't.

That's just the truth. Do you find it difficult?

Yes....... I do find it difficult....... to believe.

 

[oldbadger]

At the time of her power I was a little Local Liberal party Chairman (pre lib dems) and worked my socks off against her party and policies.
There is no one I have ever hated, but her, and perhaps hitler come close.

Liberal was good then. You did not mention Tebbit on your list! (I did not like the unempathic arrogance).

I did not respect her then and I can see no reason to respect her now. I can understand how people, who were badly damaged by her policies, would want to continue to demonstrate their outrage now.

Ok.... yep.
But the working class folks who got a start on the property ladder won't be amongst them, Terry. And others.....

The present conservatives are glorifying her in death, and hope to gain advantage from it in next months local elections. The fact is that by doing so, they are reminding everyone that they are now and were then the "Nasty party"

It's the other way........ the conservatives wish it had not happened just now. Your own paragraph supports this.

It is interesting how quiet the British National Party and the United kingdom Independence parties are keeping, I find it hard to believe they will remain so.

I think they are wise to keep their heads down......no?

I also find it strange that the Queen and Prince Philip are attending while the other Royals have declined.

Got to. The Queen must attend, surely? It's not wish, but duty.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Liberal was good then. You did not mention Tebbit on your list! (I did not like the unempathic arrogance).

When you turn stones you find vermin.

Ok.... yep.
But the working class folks who got a start on the property ladder won't be amongst them, Terry. And others.....

But those who have come after have found no social housing to rent.
She always tried to appeal to those who would gain personally from her policies.

It's the other way........ the conservatives wish it had not happened just now. Your own paragraph supports this.

I rather feel they are blind to the obvious.

I think they are wise to keep their heads down......no?

Yes

Got to. The Queen must attend, surely? It's not wish, but duty

she has not attended other prime ministers or commoners funerals except for Churchill

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

So how did she keep winning office, repeatedly...... any ideas?
.

She was at the lowest point on the charts before the Falklands and would certainly have lost.
The 83 electing was won on a landslide after the Falklands victory
The 87 election was different. The electorate was still swollen with greed on the profits of privatisation. Kinnock was ineffectively in charge of a split and vocal labour party, and without any coherent policies and was also battling the Alliance a precursor to the lib dems. Thatcher still managed to lose some seats but easily maintained her majority.

Three years after that electionher luck ran out and the Poll Tax riots finished her off, With the help of Heseltine who forced a party vote against her.

Subsequent Party leaders John Major and William Hague were ineffective.

 

[Secret Chief]

Oldbadger,
I am not screaming. I corrected an error, which you have tried to gloss over and I have expressed opinions at variance to yours. An ad hominem attack is your response.

You may not be done here but I certainly am.

 

[sandandfoam]

I was having a few pints with a fella from Durham a few years ago. He told me the thing he resented most about the Irish was that they'd missed Thatcher when they'd had the chance.

She ruined many lives and should have been stuck into the ground quietly.
I was watching Jeremy Paxman the other night and he was asking why parliament was recalled to talk about her for so many hours - he seemd to think this whole Thatcher business is about Cameron throwing some red meat to the Tory right wing.

I think the fact that a 70 year old song is charting says it all.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

i was having a few pints with a fella from durham a few years ago. He told me the thing he resented most about the irish was that they'd missed thatcher when they'd had the chance.

She ruined many lives and should have been stuck into the ground quietly.
I was watching jeremy paxman the other night and he was asking why parliament was recalled to talk about her for so many hours - he seemd to think this whole thatcher business is about cameron throwing some red meat to the tory right wing.

I think the fact that a 70 year old song is charting says it all.

ding dong!

 

[England my lionheart]

I was having a few pints with a fella from Durham a few years ago. He told me the thing he resented most about the Irish was that they'd missed Thatcher when they'd had the chance.

She ruined many lives and should have been stuck into the ground quietly.
I was watching Jeremy Paxman the other night and he was asking why parliament was recalled to talk about her for so many hours - he seemd to think this whole Thatcher business is about Cameron throwing some red meat to the Tory right wing.

I think the fact that a 70 year old song is charting says it all.

They were luck really,it could have been "Maggie" by the Exploited.

 

[Alceste]

So how did she keep winning office, repeatedly...... any ideas?


Disappointed...... not hating then? Sounds like a nice bloke. Have you reminded him of the holocaust?


You see....... you will never know us. We have a mindset called 'out of order'. This kicks in when something, anything is happening that we just..... don't like. In these situations we often put everything to one side....... and give support where we never thought we would. Admire Thatcher? Yes, I think I do. Like her (at all?). No, I think I don't.


Yes....... I do find it difficult....... to believe.

Aha! So you didn't like her, and you're not completely convinced you even admired her.

Ask yourself - before her death , can you imagine yourself saying the words "I really admire Margaret Thatcher" in a conversation about UK politics? If not, then you don't really admire her - you're just giving her extra credit for being dead.

 

[Alceste]

 

[oldbadger]

She was at the lowest point on the charts before the Falklands and would certainly have lost.
The 83 electing was won on a landslide after the Falklands victory

Yes.......

The 87 election was different. The electorate was still swollen with greed on the profits of privatisation.

Yes........ (look at that....the electorate. D'you know, that's us, just like those Roman mobs that I learned about in Latin classes. Appeal to a greedy, careless, selfish mob, or die politically. Unless the chips are down and all is in the balance, which is the only time that we motley crowd stand up and do well. Ah well...... that's Brits for you.)

Kinnock was ineffectively in charge of a split and vocal labour party, and without any coherent policies and was also battling the Alliance a precursor to the lib dems.

Yes......

Thatcher still managed to lose some seats but easily maintained her majority. Three years after that electionher luck ran out and the Poll Tax riots finished her off, With the help of Heseltine who forced a party vote against her.

Yes........

Subsequent Party leaders John Major and William Hague were ineffective.

Yes.......

Hang on.............. we'll be holding bloody hands next!

 

[oldbadger]

I was having a few pints with a fella from Durham a few years ago. He told me the thing he resented most about the Irish was that they'd missed Thatcher when they'd had the chance.

She ruined many lives and should have been stuck into the ground quietly.
I was watching Jeremy Paxman the other night and he was asking why parliament was recalled to talk about her for so many hours - he seemd to think this whole Thatcher business is about Cameron throwing some red meat to the Tory right wing.

I think the fact that a 70 year old song is charting says it all.

Some weeks ago we talked very briefly about 'the troubles'. I reckon it would be a brilliant thread-subject just on it's own. If sympathizers from all sides could contribute it would be very hot, but very informative.

It is your call, because I would not know what question to put in the OP. Straight up.

 

[sandandfoam]

Some weeks ago we talked very briefly about 'the troubles'. I reckon it would be a brilliant thread-subject just on it's own. If sympathizers from all sides could contribute it would be very hot, but very informative.

It is your call, because I would not know what question to put in the OP. Straight up.

I'll start one and we can see

 

[oldbadger]

I'll start one and we can see

Cool........ Well........ Hot! Go for it!

 

[oldbadger]

SHE SAID IT.............

Ronald Reagan: Margaret, if one of your predecessors had been a little more clever. Margaret Thatcher: I know, I know, I would have been hosting this gathering.

If someone is confronting our essential liberties, if someone is inflicting injuries and harm, by God I'll confront them!

I am an undiluted admirer of American values and the American dream ..................

The election of a man committed to the cause of freedom and the renewal of America's strength has given encouragement to all those who love liberty. Margaret Thatcher 28/02/1981 On Ronald Reagan

Schmidt and the Americans and we are the only people who would do any standing up and fighting if necessary.

The lesson of this century is that Europe will only be peaceful if the Americans are on this continent.

In my day that would have required the occasional use of the handbag. Now it will be a cricket bat.

I can cope with nine of them, so they ought to be able to stand one of me. Margaret Thatcher 10/04/1984 On her 9 European colleagues

The United States is contributing massively to the defence of Europe and we should be very grateful.

When hecklers stand up, I get a mental jump for joy. It gives me something to get my teeth into........

I went to Oxford University - but I've never let that hold me back.

The West could have no better or braver champion. Margaret Thatcher 11/10/1985 about Ronald Reagan

I am an ally of the United States. We believe the same things...................... Never try to separate me from them.

Marxists get up early to further their cause. We must get up even earlier to defend our freedom. 1978

We are very fortunate to have someone else's weapons stationed on our soil, to fight those targeted on us.

 

[oldbadger]

FRANKIE BOYLE JOKE>>>>>>>>>>

Ha ha! Ain't he funny? Have you seen his rape joke? Don't you just love him?

 

[Alceste]

Ha ha! Ain't he funny? Have you seen his rape joke? Don't you just love him?

I do actually find Frankie Boyle very funny. But even a great comedian makes a bad joke from tinge to time. I thought this one kind of encapsulates the general Scottish attitude toward Thatcher, so was apropos.

Of course if I actually believed in hell I might not find it funny, but I don't, so ha ha!

 

[oldbadger]

Bump.
Funeral this morning.

 

[England my lionheart]

Bump.
Funeral this morning.

Good riddance,maybe the money wasted on her today will return some good at the polls to get rid of the slimy conservatives.