The UK's Greatest Prime Minister died this morning.

[Aquitaine]

To be honest, I'm kind of surprised the public has to pay for her funeral at all regardless of the price. Can't her estate afford it?

I know right - one would have thought that Miss Privitization would not get a state funeral, but a private one.

Hell I personally don't think any Politician should get a taxpayer-funded funeral; let them have their own private one like everyone else. Especially when Public Services are being cut and we're apparently out of money.

 

[dust1n]

I find is especially ludicrous that I should respect someone just for being a world leader... I'd have to respect Stalin, and Mao and every other bad person if I just respected them irregardless of merit. At the same time, the world gracefully pooed on Chavez's legacy, but God forbid we take light the death of a British PM, as if it was anything less the death of a member of our own family or something.

 

[Secret Chief]

To be honest, I'm kind of surprised the public has to pay for her funeral at all regardless of the price. Can't her estate afford it?

I'm sure the estate can afford a burial. But millions are needed for security to stop the plebs revolting. So the plebs have to stump up the dosh for their own supression. Neat huh?

As Ken Loach said, they should put the funeral out to tender and accept the lowest bid. A tactic initiatiated by Thatch.

 

[oldbadger]

As for the Falklands. if she had not withdrawn our navy and most of the garrison to save money, they would never have been attacked.

:jester3: So, basically, it was not really General Galtieri's fault?

It was Margaret Thatchers fault!!!! ,:jester3:

 

[oldbadger]

Originally Posted by Alceste
The second time I lived in England, people were mostly hating on Blair, but Thatcher was far from forgotten. Even two decades later, she was no more popular than before.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!! ,:jester3:

Oh what poor people!!!! They didn't like the nasty Conservative PM who needed to somehow get us Brits thru so many messes........

And then they didn't like the nasty Labour PM who needed to somehow get us Brits thru so many messes............

And now they don't like they present Conservative/Liberal ...........!!!!!!!!!. Ah Bless!!!!!

And you listened to them all, drinking weak tea.........:jester3:

 

[oldbadger]

Where did you get that from? I only said that feminists are not going to celebrate the success of any particular woman just because she hasn't got a penis.

But you just missed out the It's important to also be competent bit which you included in that original post.

I assume the British public in general, sexist pigs or not, elevated her to power, though I can't imagine why. Her legacy leaves feminists nothing to get excited about, as all her efforts were to benefit the rich at the expense of the working class. Such values do not rank very highly on the feminist agenda.

I did not vote for her party, but a majority of Brits did. Then they didn't like her 'cos she had to be tough, then they did vote in a Labour Blair, but didn't like him 'cos he had to be tough. The way you write there are starving kiddies on every street corner....

By the way....... there must be countless hundreds of successful and famous 'leader' females from all over the World who are celebrated by feminists? Go on..... give us two names that we all know?

 

[Secret Chief]

No, the majority of the Brit public DID NOT vote for her; at any of the three general elections.

 

[Alceste]

But you just missed out the It's important to also be competent bit which you included in that original post.


I did not vote for her party, but a majority of Brits did. Then they didn't like her 'cos she had to be tough, then they did vote in a Labour Blair, but didn't like him 'cos he had to be tough. The way you write there are starving kiddies on every street corner....

By the way....... there must be countless hundreds of successful and famous 'leader' females from all over the World who are celebrated by feminists? Go on..... give us two names that we all know?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jóhanna_Sigurðardóttir
Http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Gillard#section_2

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

:jester3: So, basically, it was not really General Galtieri's fault?

It was Margaret Thatchers fault!!!! ,:jester3:

That the attack by the Argentinians succeeded, or even took place .
was most certainly Thatchers fault.
She knew the power of deterrence and used it against Russia. But removed it from the Falklands.

I am not sure why you defend the Old Bag so fiercely?

 

[oldbadger]

No, the majority of the Brit public DID NOT vote for her; at any of the three general elections.

Too lazy to get out of bed and vote? Their fault!

 

[oldbadger]

I am not sure why you defend the Old Bag so fiercely?

I don't really know, Terry.
Didn't vote for her party. Was sad about various very wrong decisions she made that have not been mentioned here. Was sad about decisions she made that have been mentioned here.

But nearly every PM has been 'whacked' after leaving office, regardless of how favoured they might have been when in power (look at Tony Blair). I am sure that next week, during her funeral, hordes of fat spoilt little brats who weren't even alive during her office will take the opportunity to go into the streets and chuck bricks at the Police (yes?) etc etc. And with so many chanting and dancing now that she's gone, (many) who probably did sod all about voting etc, Something stirs in me, and I find myself thinking, 'b-ll-cks! She was a Brit, and deserves a defence.'

It's what I did for a living, often working for defence solicitors as a detective..... old habits. So please don't take it personally. Everybody deserves a defence. It's just me, mate, I don't like seeing people down and taking a kicking, especially dead and taking it.

So for God's sake let's bury her with honour, because we put her there, and kept her there..... not you individually, but us the people as a whole.

 

[Secret Chief]

Too lazy to get out of bed and vote? Their fault!

???!!!

You said the majority of the public voted for her. I pointed out this was a factual error. The majority of the public did NOT vote for her. Has that complex notion been clarified for you?

 

[Alceste]

???!!!

You said the majority of the public voted for her. I pointed out this was a factual error. The majority of the public did NOT vote for her. Has that complex notion been clarified for you?

That's the trouble with having two or more liberal or moderate parties running against one unified conservative party. We're enjoying the bitter fruit of that dynamic in Canada right now.

 

[Secret Chief]

My condolences. If one understands the system one plays it accordingly, as Thatcher did. Still expect some interesting news in the next few days. Latest trivia: the BBC pop chart show won't be playing Ding dong the witch is dead. Censorship from the same bastion of free speech that pulled the Sex Pistols for God save the queen.

 

[oldbadger]

???!!!

You said the majority of the public voted for her. I pointed out this was a factual error. The majority of the public did NOT vote for her. Has that complex notion been clarified for you?

I wrote:- I did not vote for her party, but a majority of Brits did.

That means, (for your clarification) that she got the majority of the votes placed. As in: her party won, over and over again. Are you having any difficulty in understanding that?

You can rant and rave all you like. Are you a Brit, by the way? If so, we have always shown some honour, even to enemies who tried to kill ours in the field of battle. They would receive an honourable funeral. But you appear as if to want to dance on your old enemies' grave. So much for your honour.

So if you find pleasure in the demonstrations next week, with scum throwing stuff at innocent police, looting shops and turning over private cars (which is my guess) then more shame on you.

I think we're done.

 

[sunni56]

I wrote:- I did not vote for her party, but a majority of Brits did.

That means, (for your clarification) that she got the majority of the votes placed. As in: her party won, over and over again. Are you having any difficulty in understanding that?

You can rant and rave all you like. Are you a Brit, by the way? If so, we have always shown some honour, even to enemies who tried to kill ours in the field of battle. They would receive an honourable funeral. But you appear as if to want to dance on your old enemies' grave. So much for your honour.

So if you find pleasure in the demonstrations next week, with scum throwing stuff at innocent police, looting shops and turning over private cars (which is my guess) then more shame on you.

I think we're done.

I don't personally think it's great that people are partying due to her death but we can't be judgmental because perhaps they suffered greatly under her reign and because of her policies? Nevertheless, she's in the afterlife now, it's not up to us whether she's forgiven or whether she's punished.

 

[Secret Chief]

For the innumerate: Thatcher did NOT get the majority of the votes cast, she got less (that's L E S S) than 50% of the vote. First past the post is SOOOOOO complex.

 

[Alceste]

For the innumerate: Thatcher did NOT get the majority of the votes cast, she got less (that's L E S S) than 50% of the vote. First past the post is SOOOOOO complex.

Exactly. The Harper Party got a little less than 40% of the vote, which means 60% of voters voted for one of Canada's moderate or liberal parties. Many of those voters SPECIFICALLY changed party alliances to vote for whoever they felt was best placed to defeat Harper's minions in their local riding out of extreme dissatisfaction with the direction Harper is taking our country - most notably in Quebec. However, somehow that translated into Harper controlling 54% of the seats in government.

It's irritating, to say the least.

 

[oldbadger]

I don't personally think it's great that people are partying due to her death but we can't be judgmental because perhaps they suffered greatly under her reign and because of her policies? Nevertheless, she's in the afterlife now, it's not up to us whether she's forgiven or whether she's punished.

I'm cool with that, sunni56. I had a pretty tough time then, (I voted labour every election) but nothing compared to what (I reckon) is in store for us soon. Thing is, they all had good food, clothes, homes and all back then.

But these folks are (partly) talking b-ll-cks. I tell you what, down where I live there were three mining communities. All had to close, because (they said) it cost too much to extract the coal. Really big redundancy payments were handed out. In those days if you had more than a certain amount of money you could not get benefits. Many many ex-miners bought new cars, had huge holidays, built extensions, new angling boats etc until they had 'lost' the cash and could continue on with the benefits, etc, and many of them took jobs with security companies straight away (they were tough). I know because I was training them!! They were ok, most were laughing! So now, when I read (some of) the cr-p that some of the members (some are foreigners!) are writing, I think to myself that even I, an old enemy of the Conservatives, need to stand up for Margaret Thatcher! That's where I have been in this debate. Crazy or what?

And as for the one telling about the angry soldiers an' all, I know ex-Falklanders (a bombhead) and ex-N.Irelanders (Princess Wales Reg) and they all say the same thing, that they adored Maggie and trusted her bravery.

So, like so many Brits, (we are crazy,it's true) when I see a person down and getting kicked by people....... I think, 'Hell, time to tell'em to s-d off!'. It's just a Brit thing. I'm sure other cultures do it too.

 

[oldbadger]

For the innumerate: Thatcher did NOT get the majority of the votes cast, she got less (that's L E S S) than 50% of the vote. First past the post is SOOOOOO complex.

Come on.........give it up:- Are you a Brit, by the way?