The undeniable power in Jesus words.

[mickiel]

There are few ways to prove Jesus existed that are direct and personal, but there are ways. That aside, one thing that can be proven about Jesus, which is totally undeniable, is the Power in his words, his message. This man had, and still does, a unique Power in his words that no other human recorded has had before, or since.

And I will take great pleasure in proving this most easy thing to prove.

Let me start with the gigantic effect he has had on the pure hopes of humanity. Ohh, how great this mans influence has been.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

There is no human in history whos words has inpacted humanity, like Jesus has. That within itself is definte proof of many things. Influence is proof, its evidence, its real power.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

There is no human who has been quoted more than Jesus has. There is no human who has had more books written about him than Jesus has. Just these two facts alone sets him apart. Religions have been started in his name. This mans influence is extra ordinary. None of us will ever have this kind of impact.

Its only of intrest that we should look at what he said. And examine this most interesting individuals words.

Peace.

 

[DeitySlayer]

Muhammad.

Guru Nanak Ji.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

I agree, Jesus has been quite the influencial figure, but I'd argue Muhammad and Guatama Buddha have been close to equally influencial.

 

[mickiel]

I agree, Jesus has been quite the influencial figure, but I'd argue Muhammad and Guatama Buddha have been close to equally influencial.

I certainly would disagree with that, not to take away from the influence of Buddha and Muhammad, they have had an impact for sure. But not nearly in the measure of Jesus. But to use the three, it shows that individuals can make a great impact on humanity, and lasting ones at that. Their sheer wisdom was undeniable.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

 

[Kathryn]

That great theologian of our time, Nancy Pelosi, obviously has high regard for the Word made Flesh.

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YouTube - Nancy Pelosi's Favorite Word

 

[mickiel]

That great theologian of our time, Nancy Pelosi, obviously has high regard for the Word made Flesh.

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YouTube - Nancy Pelosi's Favorite Word

Interesting view. I was not aware she felt like that. But it shows the influence of Jesus going into politics. Its really people who go into politics, simply bringing their beliefs with them. I am not much of a political fan, but one can't help but concern themselves with it. And I can't help but notice Jesus vast influence on this earth, its just there.

And I think theres more to it than we can understand. Its worth a Hope. If nothingelse, its worth that. Now, can we measure the Hope of the human race?

We certainly can, and Jesus stands alone in his incredible impact on the Hope of humanity.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

One of the first recorded words of Jesus, in matthew 4:4, was an answer to a trick question. A question designed to get him to prove himself, again, the " Drama of expected Proof", something the enemy of God constantly ask for, even though he knows no proof is needed. This is why humans ask for proof, their consciousness guided by this same reasoning.

Jesus states that it is written; " Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God." Interesting in that Jesus is first announcing his total commitment to Gods words, and revealing that humans need more than just physical substainment. Even more interesting, he is saying this to a demon. Thats hard to understand, I would have just wiped this joker out and be done with it. He had the power to do that.

But Jesus main focus was to send a " Message to Humanity", and he never defered from this method.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

 

[M O N S T E R]

mickiel. Responding to your reply to my response to your OP will be next to impossible on my iPhone. Could you please quote me properly and I'll get back to you in short order regarding your opinions. Thanks much.

M O N S T E R

 

[mickiel]

mickiel. Responding to your reply to my response to your OP will be next to impossible on my iPhone. Could you please quote me properly and I'll get back to you in short order regarding your opinions. Thanks much.

M O N S T E R

I simply pasted what you said and responded to it. I am not into misquoting others, and I suggest that if you would converse with me reasonably, then do not imply things like that. Its no need.

I took the time to respond, take the time to be real with me. I am being for real with you.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

But Jesus main focus was to send a " Message to Humanity", and he never defered from this method.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

Interesting that satan would " Bribe" Jesus with fame and glory in Matt. 4:8-9, and do that if " Worship is involved". This demon desires to be worshipped, and knows the temptation that worship can be, if value is placed into it. This is the orgin of prosperity worship, its real orgin. Monster asked me a very good question; If there was no reward, would I still honor God? Oh what a question we all should realize, are we in this for reward? A stunning question, and I think it needs to be considered, because human lust seeks after reward, and Jesus most defintely has something to do with this pathology.

And I want to get into that.

Peace.

 

[M O N S T E R]

Interesting view. I was not aware she felt like that. But it shows the influence of Jesus going into politics.

No. It shows that powerful individuals use religion to manipulate people like you.

This is a SECULAR nation, mickiel. Your perceived deity and the "laws" people of your mentality feel this invisible creature wants followed have no place in our secular government. You do understand and agree with the concept of the seperation of church and state, don't you, mickiel?

Its really people who go into politics, simply bringing their beliefs with them.

Many lie about their "god belief." If you don't say you believe, you don't get votes.

I am not much of a political fan, but one can't help but concern themselves with it. And I can't help but notice Jesus vast influence on this earth, its just there.

Why be concerned if your invisible god is at the helm?

And I think theres more to it than we can understand.

Like what?

Its worth a Hope.

What's "worth a hope"?

Now, can we measure the Hope of the human race?

Or better yet, the gullibility of the human race.

We certainly can, and Jesus stands alone

Interesting. I'd be grateful if you could produce these "measurements" you refer to. The peer-reviewed ones, of course.

 

[M O N S T E R]

Monster asked me a very good question; If there was no reward, would I still honor God? Oh what a question we all should realize, are we in this for reward? A stunning question, and I think it needs to be considered, because human lust seeks after reward, and Jesus most defintely has something to do with this pathology.

And I want to get into that

Get into it then, mickiel. Would you still honor this invisible creature for which there is zero - ZERO objective evidence to support its existence if you weren't "promised" a comfortable life after your "worldly" death?

 

[mickiel]

No. It shows that powerful individuals use religion to manipulate people like you.


.

I hold no intrest in religion, and will never be a part of it.

The Darkness manipulates me, it manipulates religion, and it does the same to you.

And if you like, I can use you and myself to show this manipulation, which has occured this night.

Peace.

 

[Zadok]

There is no human who has been quoted more than Jesus has. There is no human who has had more books written about him than Jesus has. Just these two facts alone sets him apart. Religions have been started in his name. This mans influence is extra ordinary. None of us will ever have this kind of impact.

Its only of intrest that we should look at what he said. And examine this most interesting individuals words.

Peace.

It is interesting that the most quoted scripture by Jesus and the apostles in creating the New Testament was the Book of Enoch which is not considered scripture in our day. It would appear that the teachings of Jesus were timeless and not unique to him but have foundations hundreds of years preceding his day and time.

Zadok

 

[mickiel]

It is interesting that the most quoted scripture by Jesus and the apostles in creating the New Testament was the Book of Enoch which is not considered scripture in our day. It would appear that the teachings of Jesus were timeless and not unique to him but have foundations hundreds of years preceding his day and time.

Zadok

Well I think the book of Enoch has its place in history, I just do not understand its place. I like what I have read, its just more of the mystery to me, why it has not been accepted.

I see no reason why Enoch couldnot write.

Peace.

 

[M O N S T E R]

Just for the record, in post #8, mickiel, (after two years and nearly 3,600 post) did IMO a very poor job of the "quote/response, quote/response" form of communication commonly used on this and every forum I'm accustomed to. Take a quick look, mickiel. Post #8. You find nothing out of the ordinary? Please...

That said, there are a number of comments you made in post #8 that I'd appreciate you address in further detail.

First off, you tell me you have no desire to "prove me wrong" about the possibility that a historic Jesus actually walked the ground we walk today. This confession is immediately followed by you ratteling off a list of hearsay which you proceed to consider "objective evidence" for your "god did it" position. I was under the impression you had no desire to "prove me wrong". Which direction are you gonna head?

mickiel? Do you understand what "objective evidence" is?

When I asked you if your alleged savior promised to sentence EVERYONE to an eternity of torture, you responded by saying, "Hell no. I certainly would not." Now this is important, mickiel - what exactly do you feel your answer to this question suggests about your person?

Put some thought into this, mickiel, because it's something I want to go into. What is it that you expect will happen to, (for lack of a better term) your "soul" when you die?

Do you have any recollection of what it was like before you were born? What objective evidence (there's that phrase again) do you have that after you die, your experience (or lack thereof) will be any different?

Finally, mickiel, your self-perceived "follower" nature is an excuse. Be yourself. But be skeptical. Magic isn't real.

M O N S T E R

 

[M O N S T E R]

I hold no intrest in religion, and will never be a part of it.

The Darkness manipulates me, it manipulates religion, and it does the same to you.

And if you like, I can use you and myself to show this manipulation, which has occured this night.

Peace.

This? This is all you have to say in response to my questions in post #16? Why won't you address those other questions and comments of mine, mickiel? I wonder?

M O N S T E R

 

[mickiel]

This? This is all you have to say in response to my questions in post #16? Why won't you address those other questions and comments of mine, mickiel? I wonder?

M O N S T E R

You want to argue, I am just not in the mood for that right now.

Peace.