The undeniable power in Jesus words.

[mickiel]

It's care less, not careless and the reason you will never show me anything is because there isn't one iota of a word that this supposed son of an imaginary god wrote.


EM

It is not possible to show blind people.

I suggest you not try to see what I am saying.

Peace.

 

[M O N S T E R]

It's care less, not careless and the reason you will never show me anything is because there isn't one iota of a word that this supposed son of an imaginary god wrote.


EM

All mickiel is concerned with is his own perceived self interest. He wants comfort. He wants answers (no matter how irrational they may be). He wants to live forever and he's already admitted that he wouldn't honor his god unless there was a "promised" reward for his (mickiel's) obedience to said god. mickiel's a selfish speck of dust in a vast universe, but in his deluded mind, it all revolves around him, just like it tells him in his "holy book" of choice.

M O N S T E R

 

[M O N S T E R]

God – creator of the entire universe. A universe that spans billions of light years and contains hundreds of billions of galaxies, trillions of stars and trillions of planets and moons. He does all this with a spoken word. This is how God started out. Pretty damn impressive.

By the time of Noah, God was reduced to flooding an insignificant speck in the cosmos.

By the time of Moses, his best trick was moving a tiny portion of a minor sea aside for a short while.

By the time of Jesus, he has to send a delegate on his behalf who leaves behind only rumors that he was able to turn water into another beverage, or render himself extra buoyant.

Now it counts as a miracle if a water stain grows mold that kind of looks like a bearded face which could be claimed to resemble this supposed delegate.

Any reason we can't get a light show or something from the big guy? Why does God now hide from us, mickiel - when according to the bible, he's done magic tricks for prior generations on a regular basis?

This absence of miracles is consistent with an imaginary God. His silence is consistent with an imaginary God.

You wanna go into that, mickiel? I didn't think so.

M O N S T E R

 

[EtuMalku]

God – creator of the entire universe. A universe that spans billions of light years and contains hundreds of billions of galaxies, trillions of stars and trillions of planets and moons. He does all this with a spoken word. This is how God started out. Pretty damn impressive.

By the time of Noah, God was reduced to flooding an insignificant speck in the cosmos.

By the time of Moses, his best trick was moving a tiny portion of a minor sea aside for a short while.

By the time of Jesus, he has to send a delegate on his behalf who leaves behind only rumors that he was able to turn water into another beverage, or render himself extra buoyant.

Now it counts as a miracle if a water stain grows mold that kind of looks like a bearded face which could be claimed to resemble this supposed delegate.

Any reason we can't get a light show or something from the big guy? Why does God now hide from us, mickiel - when according to the bible, he's done magic tricks for prior generations on a regular basis?

This absence of miracles is consistent with an imaginary God. His silence is consistent with an imaginary God.

You wanna go into that, mickiel? I didn't think so.

M O N S T E R

This god's cosmological significance is nothing in comparison to his Earthly endeavors: For this god kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered.

The God of the Bible also allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9).

Jesus also promoted the idea that all men should castrate themselves to go to heaven: "For there are eunuchs, that were so born from their mother's womb: and there are eunuchs, that were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, that made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it." (Matthew 19:12 ASV) I don't know why anyone would follow the teachings of someone who literally tells all men to cut off their privates.

According to Jesus’ admissions, as well as the Bible’s prophecies, Jesus of Nazareth could not have been the Messiah. This of course, would invalidate Christianity as we know it. The compilation of biblical prophecies that were made in order to identify the messiah, which Jesus does not fulfill. The prophecies that Christians use to say that Jesus was the Messiah, yet they clearly fail. The prophecies and statements Jesus made yet they are false and have never came true.

And on and on and on this Book goes with one atrocity after another!

:angel2:
EM

 

[mickiel]

And on and on and on this Book goes with one atrocity after another!

:angel2:
EM

Yet the future of this world is based on this books message. And thats something no amount of cynicism can change.

Peace.

 

[Peacewise]

What exactly is it that you want to do Monster?

 

[no-body]

So mikiel can dish it out but he can't take it. No surprise there.

Why not just start a thread called "mental masturbation" and admit you don't want any real debate.

 

[crocusj]

Interesting view. I was not aware she felt like that. But it shows the influence of Jesus going into politics. Its really people who go into politics, simply bringing their beliefs with them. I am not much of a political fan, but one can't help but concern themselves with it. And I can't help but notice Jesus vast influence on this earth, its just there.

And I think there's more to it than we can understand. Its worth a Hope. If nothingelse, its worth that. Now, can we measure the Hope of the human race?

We certainly can, and Jesus stands alone in his incredible impact on the Hope of humanity.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

Your right about Jesus getting into politics with the Bush battling Gog and Magog and Tony Blair saying that he would be judged ultimately by God and not the electorate over sending men to die. Oh, and something I read yesterday about homosexuality being illegal in 37 African countries (though it didn't say how many were Christian I'm sure most are religious)

 

[mickiel]

So mikiel can dish it out but he can't take it. No surprise there.

Why not just start a thread called "mental masturbation" and admit you don't want any real debate.

Real debate, I haven't had that here in awhile.

Peace.

 

[no-body]

Real debate, I haven't had that here in awhile.

Peace.

Unfortunately what real debate is and what you want it to be are two extremely different things. But that's the leitmotif of all your posts.

 

[mickiel]

Unfortunately what real debate is and what you want it to be are two extremely different things. But that's the leitmotif of all your posts.

In many issues, there really is no debate, such as the power in Jesus words. It just can't be denied.

I mean people deny and debate it, but its a mute issue, the mans words have been the most powerful on earth.

In example, what other man has had such power in his words in comparrison?

There are none.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

The power in Jesus words is undeniable, just use yourself as an example:

What impact has your words made in history?

And yet people of no impact have the nerve to try and reduce the impact of others.

Peace.

 

[no-body]

In many issues, there really is no debate, such as the power in Jesus words. It just can't be denied.

I mean people deny and debate it, but its a mute issue, the mans words have been the most powerful on earth.

In example, what other man has had such power in his words in comparrison?

There are none.

Peace.

You just said that you wanted "real debate" and you turn around say there is no real debate. You just want to make statements that you declare the truth and have no one question them or you. That isn't debate. That is the antithesis of debate.

In fact it's like your ticking off of a list of debate fallacies "ad hominem--check--straw man--check--all or nothing thinking--check..."

 

[EtuMalku]

Again, show us all ONE word from Yeshua the Nazarene . . . ONE!
The Christian Bible is a Socio-Politically charged set of writings that took centuries to complete, written mostly by 'people' that never spoke to this guy, all with an agenda based on control of the masses. Is this 'Word' powerful in that sense? I would have to agree yes, it is quite a powerful mass manipulation tool for its sheeple.

Mickiel, you make terrible debates for your side (undeniable?, impact? Power? where? when? what?), even I could bring better bread to the table in regards to this Yeshua character and His Words (which of course I won't).

When you state something as preachy as you did and don't have anything to back it up except "because the bible tells me so", how can anyone NOT want to rebuttal such a statement?


EM

 

[mickiel]

Mickiel, you make terrible debates for your side ).



EM

I take sides with no one, I walk alone. I speak for myself, and only need myself to do that.

And I am complettely satisfied with the views I get, including your view.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

In fact it's like your ticking off of a list of debate fallacies "ad hominem--check--straw man--check--all or nothing thinking--check..."

I dictate the terms when I debate, I admit to that.

Its something that comes with power. Thats why I believe in Jesus, his words are more powerful than yours.

Peace.

 

[no-body]

I dictate the terms when I debate, I admit to that.

Its something that comes with power. Thats why I believe in Jesus, his words are more powerful than yours.

Peace.

It's like you've fused together all the worst aspects of Christianity with the left hand path. Well, enjoy. :thud:

 

[jam.bar]

Mickiel. Seriously, what's with the attitude? I notice you talk a LOT. I'm fine with people wanting to get their point across but when people try and engage with you, you patronise them and say you're not interested in their point of view or explaining yours. Do you just really like the sound of your own voice or something? I mean why do you come on here?

 

[EtuMalku]

Mickiel,
It is time to cross over to the Dark Side, your god is weak and losing ground . . . at least our God is a horny God!!!

 

[love]

He does exist. In your deluded mind and in the pages of your holy book of choice. Prove me wrong. Show us skeptics how wrong we are with objective evidence that this fella you call Jesus walked the grounds we walk today.

Let me ask you this, mickiel. If this savior you speak of said he'd send everyone to a hell of fire and brimstone after their worldly death, would you still be a promoter of this dude?

I'd wager that if the Bible didn't say that God will send believers to heaven, you'd reject the same quality of evidence you accept now. Why is that? Since you trust the Bible now, you ought to trust it even if the eventual outcome did not "promise" to reward you with a comfortable eternal life. You are not nearly as interested in what the evidence is as you are about what it "promises". That's because of your emotional perceived self interest. You'll only accept a "promised" outcome that is favorable to you. You'd reject the same quality of evidence you accept now, use many of the same arguments atheists employ to discredit what the Bible says and question the character of this alleged deity with just as much ferver.

I'd surmise that you're a believer because your mommy and daddy are believers. They victimized you as a child by brainwashing you to believe as they do.

There most certainly is no god, mickiel and if by chance there is, there is no way that "god" is the one depicted in your holy book of choice.

You want comfort, mickiel. You want answers. You want to live forever. Let me ask you this. Have you considered the ramifications of eternity?

Stop following, mickiel. Lead.


M O N S T E R

Stop following, mickiel. Lead.

Lead what Monster? There are many paths. You stand at the crossroads and beckon people to follow you down the path of darkness. Please shed some light on your philosophies, concept of morality, and how you deal with your fellow man. I would also like to know what role mommy and daddy had in shaping your beliefs.
The undeniable power in the words of Christ changes the lives of many people every day. Two thousand years later and still going strong. :shout