The Uneducated Anti-Assault Rifle Warriors. Yea!!!

[idav]

Do more what, exactly? That is the question that these students that I mentioned can't answer. If you ask them "What piece of legislation, specifically, do you disagree with?" They can't answer it because they don't know what it is or how it works. You cannot demand change without offering a reasonable alternative. These students can't do that so they can't demand anything in any legitimate capacity.


It isn't that simple.

Its not a students or protestors job to be a lawmaker, i dont see why that should be a requirement.

 

[Quetzal]

Its not a students or protestors job to be a lawmaker, i dont see why that should be a requirement.

But it is their job to elect people to do just that. I am not saying they need to be lawyers, but some basic idea as to what you want done would be helpful. The more specific and well rounded your knowledge, the easier it is to make an informed decision.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Do all of you realize that the ArmiaLite Rifle Model 15 (AR-15) was never used by the US Military? Probably not. ArmiaLite sold the rights to Colt in 1959 who modified it and sold it to the US military as the M16 which went into production in 1969. However Colt did continue to use the AR-15 trademark as a semi-automatic only and marketed it to civilian and law enforcement.

The AR-15 is the exact same weapon as an M16 except for a component which would make it a fully automatic M16. I've been trained on the M16, the M60, SAW, Dragon, and LAW, rocket launchers in the mid-80s.

 

[tytlyf]

The AR-15 is the exact same weapon as an M16 except for a component which would make it a fully automatic M16. I've been trained on the M16, the M60, SAW, Dragon, and LAW, rocket launchers in the mid-80s.

The AR-15 is a military-style weapon. Which can be made into near fully automatic legally, with a 100 round drum to go along with it.

Everyone likes military-style weapons because they look cool and people can play in the woods like they're in a war. It's a macho thing for people that never served.

Just make sure to have your Tac-Glasses from this personal workout trainer. Then you're really a TRUE patriot.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The AR-15 is a military-style weapon. Which can be made into near fully automatic legally, with a 100 round drum to go along with it.

Everyone likes military-style weapons because they look cool and people can play in the woods like they're in a war. It's a macho thing for people that never served.

Just make sure to have your Tac-Glasses from this personal workout trainer. Then you're really a TRUE patriot.

Its functionality is the exact same as an M16 except it doesn't have auto on the selector lever.

It can be classified as a bonafide assault weapon except that it has its balls cut off.

 

[tytlyf]

Its functionality is the exact same as an M16 except it doesn't have auto on the selector lever.

It can be classified as a bonafide assault weapon except that it has its balls cut off.

Yep. Throw a legal bump stock on and you got your military weapon.

 

[esmith]

The AR-15 is the exact same weapon as an M16 except for a component which would make it a fully automatic M16. I've been trained on the M16, the M60, SAW, Dragon, and LAW, rocket launchers in the mid-80s.

Not to be picky but the statement "the AR-15 is the exact same weapon as an M16 except ...........M16" Is like saying item X is the exact same thing as item Y except it is different. Also there were other modifications made to the AR-15 design by Colt before it was issued as the M16.
And before anyone corrects my statement that the AR-15 was never used by the US Military is wrong I will correct it and say that the AR-15 was never made a service wide weapon. Yes it was sent to Vietnam for use by a very small number of "personnel" for evaluation.

 

[tytlyf]

Not to be picky but the statement "the AR-15 is the exact same weapon as an M16 except ...........M16" Is like saying item X is the exact same thing as item Y except it is different. Also there were other modifications made to the AR-15 design my Colt before it was issued as the M16.
And before anyone corrects my statement that the AR-15 was never used by the US Military is wrong I will correct it and say that the AR-15 was never made a service wide weapon. Yes it was sent to Vietnam for use by a very small number of "personnel" for evaluation.

Good, a military-style weapon developed for military use has no business being in the hands of citizens. Especially in the hands of someone with PTSD.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Good, a military-style weapon developed for military use has no business being in the hands of citizens. Especially in the hands of someone with PTSD.

I think vintage weapons like the M1 Garand is okay. For myself I love historical arms.

 

[idav]

But it is their job to elect people to do just that.

Should people vote intelligently? What a fascinating idea!

 

[esmith]

I think vintage weapons like the M1 Garand is okay. For myself I love historical arms.

The firstt deer/elf rifle I purchased was a 1903A3 Springfield (I was 14 years old). Ordered it through a magazine and when I got it it was still packed in cosmoline. Talk about a ***** of a job getting it clean, until a neighbor showed me how gasoline was best for the job. Over the years it was drastically modified to the point that it didn't even look like the original.
As far as the Garand, wish I had one now.

Of course you would be accused of owning an "assault rifle" if you had a M1 Garand since they were military issue, along with my Remington 870, Winchester Model 70, Remington 700, and the 1903A3 Springfield Oh well.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The firstt deer/elf rifle I purchased was a 1903A3 Springfield (I was 14 years old). Ordered it through a magazine and when I got it it was still packed in cosmoline. Talk about a ***** of a job getting it clean, until a neighbor showed me how gasoline was best for the job. Over the years it was drastically modified to the point that it didn't even look like the original.
As far as the Garand, wish I had one now.

Of course you would be accused of owning an "assault rifle" if you had a M1 Garand since they were military issue, along with my Remington 870, Winchester Model 70, Remington 700, and the 1903A3 Springfield Oh well.

I wouldn't worry about them being called assault weapons compared to what we have now. There in a classification of battle rifle rather than assault rifle.

It's legal under the New York State SAFE Act in my state and should be under the strict protection of the Second Amendment as far as I'm concerned. As long as it has an internal clip, or a clip compliant with the legal limit of rounds you can carry and fire it without worry.

I also love Winchester's by the way. I think that's my favorite rifle aside from the M1.

I also would love to have a black powder musket. I never fired one. Would like to someday.

 

[esmith]

I wouldn't worry about them being called assault weapons compared to what we have now. There in a classification of battle rifle rather than assault rifle.
It's legal under the New York State SAFE Act in my state and should be under the strict protection of the Second Amendment as far as I'm concerned. As long as it has an internal clip, or a clip compliant with the legal limit of rounds you can carry and fire it without worry.

So the AR10 is a "battle rifle" not a "assault rifle" since it fires so called "full-power" ammunition like the .308 or 7.62X51mm. I think I would prefer the AR10 vice the AR15 since no one could say the .308 or 7.62x51 is not a a "hunting round"

 

[Twilight Hue]

So the AR10 is a "battle rifle" not a "assault rifle" since it fires so called "full-power" ammunition like the .308 or 7.62X51mm. I think I would prefer the AR10 vice the AR15 since no one could say the .308 or 7.62x51 is not a a "hunting round"

Well it's compliant with the NYS Safe Act.

Caliber isn't what makes a weapon an assault weapon.

It's selective fire, an intermediate cartridge, and detachable magazine together that results in overwhelming firepower that defines a weapon as being an assault weapon.

 

[Revoltingest]

So the AR10 is a "battle rifle" not a "assault rifle" since it fires so called "full-power" ammunition like the .308 or 7.62X51mm. I think I would prefer the AR10 vice the AR15 since no one could say the .308 or 7.62x51 is not a a "hunting round"

Let's complicate things by pointing out that the Remington 700 (not alone) is the basis for a military issue "sniper rifle".

 

[Rough Beast Sloucher]

Of course you would be accused of owning an "assault rifle" if you had a M1 Garand since they were military issue, along with my Remington 870, Winchester Model 70, Remington 700, and the 1903A3 Springfield Oh well.

The most important features of an assault rifle are the ability to take large capacity quick-change magazines with ammunition powerful enough to kill reliably but light enough to carry large amounts. Selective fire is often stated as a requirement - conveniently ruling out all civilian weaponry - but the truth is that full auto mode is almost never used in combat. It wastes ammo. Remember that in combat what you are carrying is all you got. Heavy suppression fire is the job of the guys manning the belt feds.

The M1 Garand, which BTW has its magazine loaded via a stripper clip , is not an assault rifle.

I presume the Wingmaster is 12 gauge? And the Springfield is of course.30-06. (Surprisingly the A3 was manufactured during World War Two) What are the chamberings on the other two bolt-actions? Both true classics IMO, regardless of caliber.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

But complete ignorance of the subject makes it much easier to demonize the
weapons, whip up hysteria, call for banning, & utterly avoid real solutions.

While we’re at it, we should also have people be quizzed by car nerds to confirm that their auto knowledge passes muster before they can have an opinion on road safety.

After all, if a person can’t explain how an airbag works, how can we take them seriously when they say they want action to prevent auto collision deaths?

 

[Revoltingest]

While we’re at it, we should also have people be quizzed by car nerds to confirm that their auto knowledge passes muster before they can have an opinion on road safety.

After all, if a person can’t explain how an airbag works, how can we take them seriously when they say they want action to prevent auto collision deaths?

You think that it's nerdy to have a worthwhile understanding, eh.
I notice that those who know the least have the greatest confidence.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

You think that it's nerdy to have a worthwhile understanding, eh.
I notice that those who know the least have the greatest confidence.

So how much firearms knowledge do you think is “worthwhile” enough to be opposed to school shootings and mass murders?

 

[Revoltingest]

So how much firearms knowledge do you think is “worthwhile” enough to be opposed to school shootings and mass murders?

Enuf to avoid errors like confusing automatic with semi-automatic, etc.
It would also be nice to understand the legal environment, so as to
avoid simplistic solutions like banning guns.