Seriously? The history of Christian crusades and missionary work is laced with the most egregious treatment of Jews, Muslims, Pagans, and indigenous communities. The Other was to be brought to its knees one way or another.
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The Us vs Them dogma within a religion
- Thread starter Estro Felino
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Mark 12:31
Love thy neighbor as thyself
It is not my fault if Christian did not practice what they preached, across centuries.
... provided they become Christians.
It's exclusionary. The fact that your religion mixes its exclusionary nature with predatory proselytizing doesn't somehow negate the fact that it's exclusionary.
syo
Well-Known Member
?hello, guys.
I just wanted to analyze whether religions tend to treat followers as individuals or if all followers are considered an indissoluble monolith.
I would like to start from Christians.
We Christians are called to treat all human beings as fellow human beings.
There has never been a Christians\non-Christians narrative.
So...in other words the theology of atonement, for example, I guess it is not meant to exclude non-Christians from salvation.
What do you guys think?
I am also asking because of the numerous episodes of incomprehension between Atheists and Christians.
That is an interesting thought bubble (the group size optimisation).
I'll have to ponder that a bit, I think.
PureX
Veteran Member
A wolf pack of 100 wolves would be fraught with constant fighting and confusion over which will be the alpha, and what the "pecking order" within the group is. Whereas a pack of 20 is far more cohesive, with fewer challenges for positioning and would be much more efficient and effective at cooperative hunting. I suspect that sort of thing would be generally true for a lot of social, cooperative species. Including humans.
I've often thought something broadly along those lines when considering different political systems.
Still...I'm pretty slow to consider these type of things. I'll do some research.
But thanks for the thought-provoking prod!
Absolutely not. There is no Christians/Non Christians narrative.
Of course priests cannot advertise atheism, by saying out loud "you can remain an atheist, God will save you anyway", because that would be against the purpose of the Church, which is evangelizing.
But they will whisper it underground.
So you agree that, taken at face value, Christianity is exclusionary.
(...Your hypothesis of secret crypto-universalists having infiltrated the religion notwithstanding)
Not crypto at all.
Did the Pope Ask Atheist Scalfari Really Not To Convert?
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In secret, the Pope told Scalfari that atheists won't be denied salvation.
FredVB
Member
I think the way is through Christ who provides for salvation, having life then hereafter endlessly with him. Really, we cannot know with absolute certainty who will have that. God is gracious and will bring those through Christ who can come with repentance whenever they would come, and we who do not know anything absolutely cannot know who is excluded from that. I think through Christ we would see some we knew of who we were never expecting to see in the endless hereafter with Christ, with whom we come to God.
Muffled
Jesus in me
hello, guys.
I just wanted to analyze whether religions tend to treat followers as individuals or if all followers are considered an indissoluble monolith.
I would like to start from Christians.
We Christians are called to treat all human beings as fellow human beings.
There has never been a Christians\non-Christians narrative.
So...in other words the theology of atonement, for example, I guess it is not meant to exclude non-Christians from salvation.
What do you guys think?
I am also asking because of the numerous episodes of incomprehension between Atheists and Christians.
I believe I have met Christians with an us vs them mentality.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe you may have fun dancing in the fire or maybe it will be one big whoosh and crispy crittered.
I have never met them.
It's unchristian to have that mindset.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe that might just be the RCC. The Church tends to vary from one denomination to another.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe people tend to have all kinds of errors in their thinking and I have not been immune to that myself. In the 80's i believed everyone should be a Baptist but when the Holy Spirit got a hold of me that changed into an acceptance of those whom God accepts.
Us-Vs-Them is common.
Some religions more than other.
Christianity is not exempt.
I often hear about their war with their enemies,
eg, Marxists, Muslims, secular humanists,
Democrats, atheists, Satanists.
I believe you are right. The Church basis this belief on the covenant God made with Abraham.
That it is irrevocable and eternal.
No secret!
The Second Vatican Council said that "the Holy Spirit offers everyone the possibility, in a way known only to God, to be associated with this paschal mystery of Christ and, therefore, to be saved" , It will be in the sincere practice of what is good in their own religious traditions and by following the dictates of their conscience that the members of other religions respond positively to God's invitation and receive salvation in Jesus Christ, even while they do not recognize or acknowledge him as their saviour.
Karl Rahner referred to those saved outside of Christianity, 'anonymous' Christians.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Is there any such teachings from (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah, please, if yes, then kindly quote from him, right??
Regards