The Us vs Them dogma within a religion

[muhammad_isa]

If I sincerely believe Lucifer is God..

That is contradictory..
We both know that satan is not God, and is not sincere.

 

[Wildswanderer]

That is contradictory..
We both know that satan is not God, and is not sincere.

I guess you aren't going to answer the question.

 

[muhammad_isa]

I guess you aren't going to answer the question.

What .. is it alright to think that satan is God?

Stupid questions don't deserve answers.
Personally, I find it hard to believe that a person could be sincere in such a belief.
Do you think that satan might be sincere, and God will accept him?

 

[Wildswanderer]

What .. is it alright to think that satan is God?

Stupid questions don't deserve answers.
Personally, I find it hard to believe that a person could be sincere in such a belief.
Do you think that satan might be sincere, and God will accept him?

You missed the point. You claim it doesn't matter what you believe as long as you are sincere.
Of course that's nonsense according to scripture.

This verse is about Jesus:
"Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God."

There's nothing in the Bible that says you can believe what you like and be accepted by God.

 

[muhammad_isa]

You missed the point. You claim it doesn't matter what you believe as long as you are sincere..

Sincerity is the most important thing, yes.
If a person is sincere, then it matters very much to them what they believe.

That goes for all of us .. not just those that believe in the same creed as you.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Sincerity is the most important thing, yes.
If a person is sincere, then it matters very much to them what they believe.

That goes for all of us .. not just those that believe in the same creed as you.

That, once again, wasn't the question.
If I sincerely believe that a flying spaghetti monster is God, will God accept my belief?

 

[muhammad_isa]

That, once again, wasn't the question.
If I sincerely believe that a flying spaghetti monster is God, will God accept my belief?

You what?
You never mentioned the FSM in previous posts.
Are you losing your mind?

Why do I get the feeling that you are being insincere?

 

[Wildswanderer]

You what?
You never mentioned the FSM in previous posts.
Are you losing your mind?

Why do I get the feeling that you are being insincere?

Why do I get the feeling that you don't like to address the issue, and will do anything to dance around it?

 

[muhammad_isa]

Why do I get the feeling that you don't like to address the issue, and will do anything to dance around it?

You said "If I sincerely believe Lucifer is God, will that be ok with the real God?

No, God is a jealous God as he says. He won't allow us to worship demons and then be in his presence... he's Holy, only his atonement will erase our sin."

Are you suggesting that Jews and Muslims worship other than God?
..and that they are not sincere in their belief?

I say again .. Almighty God is aware of who is sincere and who is not.

 

[Wildswanderer]

You said "If I sincerely believe Lucifer is God, will that be ok with the real God?

No, God is a jealous God as he says. He won't allow us to worship demons and then be in his presence... he's Holy, only his atonement will erase our sin."

Are you suggesting that Jews and Muslims worship other than God?
..and that they are not sincere in their belief?

I say again .. Almighty God is aware of who is sincere and who is not.

If you worship the wrong God it doesn't matter how sincere you are, you are sincerely wrong.

 

[Muffled]

That it is even possible for us to question the existence of those gates ought to say something, don't you think?

I believe for a gate one must know where one is coming from and where one is going to and that eliminates a lot of people. So if I am at the airport and didn't know about security I might try to get in another way but the authority would catch me and say no you can't go that way.

 

[Muffled]

Think about it..
There are many denominations of Abrahamic belief.

Rather than us all claiming "only my way is correct", and arguing against ourselves .. there must be a better way.

satan is winning, and you just carry on blindly with your one-liners, without learning anything.

Do you really think that God is not aware of who is sincere, and who is not?
Do you think that it is only people from your denomination, that can be sincere?
Do you think that God will not guide those who are sincere to a righteous path?
Do you think it is impossible for somebody to be on a righteous path, unless they believe what you do?

I believe I do think He is aware who is sincere.

I believe anyone can be sincere but not everyone is right and being sincerely wrong never worked for Linus waiting for the great pumpkin.

I believe He is capable of doing that and has done it but a lot depends on how open a person is to God's leading. He will certainly lead a person to Jesus.

I believe that depends on the belief but most of my beliefs come from God so one ought to believe what I say. As for righteousness, no one achieves that except a born again Christian.

 

[muhammad_isa]

If you worship the wrong God it doesn't matter how sincere you are, you are sincerely wrong.

..and as you know, God the Most High, forgives whomsoever He wills.
Why would God punish an imbecile, because he didn't realise what he was doing was wrong?

Almighty God is not limited by what you think .. by your creed .. He is the Best of ALL Judges.

How many creeds are there?
100's as you know.
All we can do is our best at deciding what is most likely to be correct, and rely on God to guide us.
I do not say that Christians or Jews cannot go to heaven.
I say that God knows best.

 

[muhammad_isa]

..As for righteousness, no one achieves that except a born again Christian.

I think that you should let God decide that..
He will judge between us on the day of judgment.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Why would God punish an imbecile, because he didn't realise what he was doing was wrong?

We are not talking about imbeciles. We are talking about people who believe and promote falsehoods about God.


24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,
3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

 

[muhammad_isa]

2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,

That's fine.
I believe that Jesus Christ came in the flesh.

..but something tells me, you want more than that ..

 

[LuisDantas]

I believe for a gate one must know where one is coming from and where one is going to and that eliminates a lot of people. So if I am at the airport and didn't know about security I might try to get in another way but the authority would catch me and say no you can't go that way.

That is one perspective. I find it mildly tantalizing that it seems to suggest that people may need to know what they are looking for before they find it.