kadzbiz
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I've always thought of the bible as being somewhat historically true, but that some of the events have either been made up or completely embelished to symbolize an idea.
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The Virgin Mary - or was she?
- Thread starter kadzbiz
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I've always thought of the bible as being somewhat historically true, but that some of the events have either been made up or completely embelished to symbolize an idea.
madhatter85
Transhumanist
If abstinence was a "Godly" thing, then why is it IMPOSSIBLE to reproduce any other way. had Adam and Eve not born children they would have died and thwe human race would have ended with them.
If christians all lived celibately, there would be no more christians left.
Matter in fact God COMMANDED adam and Eve to have sex. "multiply and replenish the earth"
If christians all lived celibately, there would be no more christians left.
Matter in fact God COMMANDED adam and Eve to have sex. "multiply and replenish the earth"
Smoke
Done here.
Sounds good to me.
But seriously, if everybody was a stonemason, who would do the carpentry? Just because something isn't right for everybody, that doesn't mean that an alternative must be right for everybody.
kadzbiz
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There were other people that suddenly appeared on the Earth that weren't of Adam & Eve though.
madhatter85
Transhumanist
who? i don't know of whom you speak
Captain Civic
version 2.0
Agreed. It's only considered "Godly" because it's obeying God above your own impulsive wants (before marriage).
kadzbiz
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All these churches confirmed the flatness of the Earth and its immovable position as the centre of God's creation too.
While I think that's unlikely, it's always struck me as odd that people could reject it as ridiculously implausible that she was sexually abstinent after Jesus' birth, but very believable that she was abstinent before.
Aren't a lot of people abstinent before marriage?
madhatter85
Transhumanist
Francine
Well-Known Member
And most men spend the rest of their lives trying to get back in there.
Smoke
Done here.
Yep. I was just pointing out that it's not just Catholics who believe it.
Not a lot of abstinent women give birth, though.
madhatter85
Transhumanist
Hope
Princesinha
While I think that's unlikely, it's always struck me as odd that people could reject it as ridiculously implausible that she was sexually abstinent after Jesus' birth, but very believable that she was abstinent before.
Of course, one must have faith to accept a virgin conception and birth, but why should I find it implausible that Mary was a virgin before marrying Joseph (the Bible says they were "betrothed" or "engaged" at the time of Jesus' conception----sexual intercourse before marriage was considered a grave sin in those days)? It is definitely more implausible (not "ridiculously implausible" though) to assume she never had sex after marriage. Especially when such a state of "perpetual virginity" serves no apparent, useful purpose.
A virgin conception and birth, however, served a very distinct purpose. Jesus, had He been conceived by totally natural means, would have inherited sinful human nature. In order for Him to be fully God and sinless, He had to be conceived and brought forth into this world by extraordinary means. So a virgin birth makes perfect sense.
Smoke
Done here.
I understand that to a person who shares your belief system, virgin motherhood is more believable than lifelong virginity. But that's one of the things that's so very odd about your belief system. If I told you my cousin never had sex with her husband after her child was born, you might be more likely to believe that than if I told you she never had sex with anybody before her child was born.
Do you imagine that "sinful human nature" is inherited through the father, and only through the father?
kadzbiz
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Ah.......no, I'd better not.....
Is it plausible that Mary was married previously? What is known of her life prior to Joseph?
blackout
Violet.
uhhh... that's the whole point kadzbiz.
(thus the VIRGIN birth?
)EDIT:
Oh NO! But wait!
Headaches might qualify as another form of NFP!
(well except that they are usually unplanned. so no then.:sarcastic)
Still the headache method would be %100 bar no small miracle.
DOUBLE EDIT:
oops. Forgot all about the OP premise.
I can't seem to remember which threads I'm in tonight...
yes well, you may all proceed now. again.
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend Kadzbiz,
Another enquiry from you.
Truth is semen has to enter the womb during certain days of the month for a child to be born.
Truth also is virgins can conceive; meaning to state that a women can conceive without going through sexual intercourse. It is possible. [yes we know that testube babies where not there then]
There has been such cases when during petting both the boy and girl are totally excited and the boy has an ejaculation near the girl's vagina and the force of the ejaculation pushes the semen into the girl's womb through the vagina which too is receptive at the time and the women conceived.
However not suggessting that this is how Jesus could have been born.
Possibility also exists of a method of conceiving only known to joseph and Mary but somehow the secret was not passed. We have to wait till it is discovered again.
Or that Mary was not a virgin in reality but a story was made to show the sanctity of the birth.
ofcourse forgetting that every thing in creation is holy including ****.
Love & rgds
Another enquiry from you.
Truth is semen has to enter the womb during certain days of the month for a child to be born.
Truth also is virgins can conceive; meaning to state that a women can conceive without going through sexual intercourse. It is possible. [yes we know that testube babies where not there then]
There has been such cases when during petting both the boy and girl are totally excited and the boy has an ejaculation near the girl's vagina and the force of the ejaculation pushes the semen into the girl's womb through the vagina which too is receptive at the time and the women conceived.
However not suggessting that this is how Jesus could have been born.
Possibility also exists of a method of conceiving only known to joseph and Mary but somehow the secret was not passed. We have to wait till it is discovered again.
Or that Mary was not a virgin in reality but a story was made to show the sanctity of the birth.
ofcourse forgetting that every thing in creation is holy including ****.
Love & rgds