The Walking Dead

[freethinker44]

What a waste. Merle could have been of use and he just couldn't forgive himself for what all he had done.

Yeah, I was starting to like Merle, but I think he burned too many bridges within the group. There is no way he could be accepted fully, and they can't lose one of the most popular characters, Daryl, who isn't going to be separated from Merle again. So I think killing him off was inevitable.

 

[Sir Doom]

I am almost as sick of Rick as I was of his wife. If I was part of their group I would vote for a new leader. He's always second guessing himself to the point of complete reversal. But he waste's everyone's time and what I'd like to call 'moral fortitude' with the 'hard choice' that 'has to happen' for the good of the group only to go back on it at the last minute. I can only imagine what sort of emotional rollercoaster it must be to think that one minute you are about to be party to murder in the name of survival and when you finally come to grips with horrible choice that must be made, the leader just reverses it rendering all of the agonizing you just went through totally pointless.

I really wanted Herschel to jump in the middle of Rick's little monologue at the end about being the 'good guys' or whatever and saying, "WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS WHOLE TIME?!?!"

 

[Straw Dog]

I really wanted Herschel to jump in the middle of Rick's little monologue at the end about being the 'good guys' or whatever and saying, "WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS WHOLE TIME?!?!"

Yeah, it got pretty annoying how everyone just accepted Rick's decisions even if they had serious reservations. It was like when his wife rarely offered an informed opinion. Useless.

If I were in the group, I'd be like, " **** that. Sorry Rick, but I'm spilling your little secret. The Governor is a sociopath. Haven't you been talking to folks? We either need to infiltrate town with a small team and assassinate him, create some guerella-type warfare along the road towards us in preparation for battle, or get ready to leave the prison for good."

No, instead he just gets distracted with a single moral dilemma, created by the Governor in the first place, rather than considering other options.

 

[Quiddity]

I didn't see it as being unable to forgive himself, but rather that he decided to take out the Governor & his minions.
He picked his side. He took action against his enemy. And he took out a bunch before buying the farm.
And to Michonne: Do not ever trust Rick again. Watch your back.

Merle desires to turn Michonne in so that he may be absolved from his sins. Not that he completely cared what everybody in the prison thought of him; but he cared about his brother and his relationship with him. He saw how much the people in the prison meant to Daryl and he wanted to make things right for him. Listen to what he says:

Merle: "I want to be with my brother. My brother, he wants to be in the prison. This little trip, maybe, it will keep that place standing. If I put it off, maybe all is forgiven.........You gotta play the hand your dealt........I only got one."

Michonne notices the weight Merle is carrying around and says:

Michonne: "You talk about the weight of what you have to do, how you can handle it. A bad man, someone truly evil, their light as a feather. You don't feel a thing."

This is probably the nicest thing Michonne has ever said to Merle. She is telling him that there is hope for him and that he can change things. Once Michonne notices that talking Merle out of this trip by telling Merle how not so bad he is.......that its not going to work because Merle doesn't think much of Merle, but his brother? Well that is a different story. He picked a side, and that side was his brother and everything he did thereafter was to fix that.

 

[Revoltingest]

Merle desires to turn Michonne in so that he may be absolved from his sins. Not that he completely cared what everybody in the prison thought of him; but he cared about his brother and his relationship with him. He saw how much the people in the prison meant to Daryl and he wanted to make things right for him. Listen to what he says:

Merle: "I want to be with my brother. My brother, he wants to be in the prison. This little trip, maybe, it will keep that place standing. If I put it off, maybe all is forgiven.........You gotta play the hand your dealt........I only got one."

Michonne notices the weight Merle is carrying around and says:

Michonne: "You talk about the weight of what you have to do, how you can handle it. A bad man, someone truly evil, their light as a feather. You don't feel a thing."

This is probably the nicest thing Michonne has ever said to Merle. She is telling him that there is hope for him and that he can change things. Once Michonne notices that talking Merle out of this trip by telling Merle how not so bad he is.......that its not going to work because Merle doesn't think much of Merle, but his brother? Well that is a different story. He picked a side, and that side was his brother and everything he did thereafter was to fix that.

I don't argue with any of that.
It comports with my different take on Merle's change of heart towards the Governor.
Merle is.....er....was complicated.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

shouldn't this thread be called The Walking Thread?

 

[Father Heathen]

shouldn't this thread be called The Walking Thread?

Shouldn't you be called the Saget of Bob?

 

[freethinker44]

Shouldn't you be called the Saget of Bob?

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Tourettes Guy- Bob Saget - YouTube

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Shouldn't you be called the Saget of Bob?

Man, that made me think of that video series but freethinker posted it already

 

[Watchmen]

Season Three finale was a big "yawn"

 

[freethinker44]

Season Three finale was a big "yawn"

Yup, I was getting a little irritated with Andrea spending the whole hour talking to Milton and taking her time with pliers. She can't talk and free herself at the same time? And then she waits until he wakes up as a zombie to actually make an effort and I find it hard to believe that someone who can take out multiple zombies with a pocket knife would let zombie Milton get the better of her.

I like that Tyrese is in the group now. Be interesting to see where they take Carl's storyline now too.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yup, I was getting a little irritated with Andrea spending the whole hour talking to Milton and taking her time with pliers. She can't talk and free herself at the same time? And then she waits until he wakes up as a zombie to actually make an effort and I find it hard to believe that someone who can take out multiple zombies with a pocket knife would let zombie Milton get the better of her.

I like that Tyrese is in the group now. Be interesting to see where they take Carl's storyline now too.

Zombie Milton would be more of a man than living Milton.
But yeah, it was excruciating to watch Andrea lollygag with the pliers.

 

[Ouroboros]

Andrea bugged me too. So frustrating to see.

Another irritation was the guy that pointed a rifle at the governor and the gov' stood there for good 5 seconds before he pulled his gun and managed to shoot the guy. Really? The other guy didn't have his finger on the trigger at all? At that point after the gov taking out all his friends, going crazy and psycho? Sheesh.

Other than that, love the show. This was the best season so far.

And Game of Thrones started yesterday! Yay! (For another thread)

 

[Sir Doom]

Before the episode played, I was commenting to my family about Laurie Holden on the previous week's Talking Dead and I was actually joking about how seriously she seemed to take her character. Then we all watched that scene. And the horrible cynic in me saw it as one of those, "you-guaranteed-me-exactly-such-and-such-minutes-of-full-face-closeups-in-my-contract-so-you-had-better-put-them-in-this-scene-or-I-sue" kinds of situations.

Anyway, it was dumb and went on longer than the 'battle' for the prison. Speaking of the battle... I thought that went just how it should have. A lot of tough-guys from Woodbury suddenly realizing they had no idea what they were getting themselves into.

 

[Quiddity]

What irritated me the most is that Martinez and the other guy choose not to shoot the Governor on the spot.......when he showered his own people with bullets. I mean, what more to do you need to see that this guy is a nut and needs to be dealt with?

 

[Sir Doom]

What irritated me the most is that Martinez and the other guy choose not to shoot the Governor on the spot.......when he showered his own people with bullets. I mean, what more to do you need to see that this guy is a nut and needs to be dealt with?

Yes. That was pretty lame. I felt more than ever that they should have just had Merle take out the Governor and then Martinez could have tried to take the prison on his own, it would have turned out just the same except half the town wouldn't be dead on a highway for no real reason. And now the Governor just gets to be an unknown wildcard they can pull anytime the ratings start slipping.

 

[Quiddity]

Yes. That was pretty lame. I felt more than ever that they should have just had Merle take out the Governor and then Martinez could have tried to take the prison on his own, it would have turned out just the same except half the town wouldn't be dead on a highway for no real reason. And now the Governor just gets to be an unknown wildcard they can pull anytime the ratings start slipping.

Martinez is just muscle, he doesn't have the silver tongue and smarts that the Governor does. I'm not entirely convinced that Woodbury would continue to attack without the Governor. He is barely keeping the group together with lies as it is. Martinez would break in a heated conversation and it would all be over that quick. The Governor is like Hitler; getting the masses to do what he wants with lies. Without him, most of the problems would go away.

 

[Sir Doom]

Martinez is just muscle, he doesn't have the silver tongue and smarts that the Governor does. I'm not entirely convinced that Woodbury would continue to attack without the Governor. He is barely keeping the group together with lies as it is. Martinez would break in a heated conversation and it would all be over that quick. The Governor is like Hitler; getting the masses to do what he wants with lies. Without him, most of the problems would go away.

Yeah, no I was just thinking if Merle had killed the Gov, then Martinez might have had enough 'loud-and-in-charge' to get a group riled enough to attack. And as soon as the bullets started flying the same thing would happen only faster. Everyone would suddenly realize they aren't soldiers and never wanted to be and go back to their families. Only they'd make it.

That's how I would have written it anyway >.>

 

[Quiddity]

Yeah, no I was just thinking if Merle had killed the Gov, then Martinez might have had enough 'loud-and-in-charge' to get a group riled enough to attack. And as soon as the bullets started flying the same thing would happen only faster. Everyone would suddenly realize they aren't soldiers and never wanted to be and go back to their families. Only they'd make it.

That's how I would have written it anyway >.>

Like you said, the Gov. brings in ratings and makes the story interesting. It has to be Rick that ends his life, no? Or atleast involve Rick in an indirect way (like pushing him toward walkers). I still want the Gov. around for that reason.

 

[freethinker44]

Like you said, the Gov. brings in ratings and makes the story interesting. It has to be Rick that ends his life, no? Or atleast involve Rick in an indirect way (like pushing him toward walkers). I still want the Gov. around for that reason.

I think Michonne would make more sense. With Rick, it's just politics; he would end it with words if he could. But it is personal with Michonne. In the comics it was really personal with Michonne, I almost thought that was where they were going with it when the Governor set up his torture room. Who knows, he isn't dead yet.