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"the walking dead"

truthBtold

Member
Matthew 27:51-3*describes the resurrection of many godly people who exited the cemetery on Good Friday and returned to Jerusalem where they were seen by many people, earthquake and rocks breaking in half. If true, this event would have stunned all of Jerusalem, unquestionably been documented by numerous sources, as well as other gospels and in terms of shock value would have dwarfed even the resurrection of Jesus. Yet nowhere else but in Matthew does anyone speaks of this resurrection-related miracle. if its not literal then how to determine when it is... personal preference i take it..
 

Sleeppy

Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
Doesn't mention which saints, or to whom they visited in bodily form. Doesn't mention these saints after their resurrection, or their visitations...

Whether true or false, it doesn't matter much to anyone who is currently living. Although, there are still people who believe they've been visited by the dead, whether true or false.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
I feel that its not to be taken literally, if such an event really happened it would have been well documented, I myself see it as representing the dead, or unenlightened, rising in consciousness when the carnal self is crusified.
 

AmbiguousGuy

Well-Known Member
Matthew 27:51-3*describes the resurrection of many godly people who exited the cemetery on Good Friday and returned to Jerusalem where they were seen by many people, earthquake and rocks breaking in half. If true, this event would have stunned all of Jerusalem, unquestionably been documented by numerous sources, as well as other gospels and in terms of shock value would have dwarfed even the resurrection of Jesus. Yet nowhere else but in Matthew does anyone speaks of this resurrection-related miracle. if its not literal then how to determine when it is... personal preference i take it..

I don't think any of the gospel stories should be taken too literally.

Except I do believe that there was a real town named Jerusalem.
 

truthBtold

Member
Doesn't mention which saints, or to whom they visited in bodily form. Doesn't mention these saints after their resurrection, or their visitations...

Whether true or false, it doesn't matter much to anyone who is currently living. Although, there are still people who believe they've been visited by the dead, whether true or false.

Where u reading another thread? What saints?? What?
 

truthBtold

Member
Doesn't mention which saints, or to whom they visited in bodily form. Doesn't mention these saints after their resurrection, or their visitations...

Whether true or false, it doesn't matter much to anyone who is currently living. Although, there are still people who believe they've been visited by the dead, whether true or false.

Where u reading another thread? What saints?? What?
 

Sleeppy

Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
There are few slightly different Bible translations available, to everyone who may respond in this thread. The "godly people" are synonymous with the "saints" in this instance.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
Matthew 27:51-3*describes the resurrection of many godly people who exited the cemetery on Good Friday and returned to Jerusalem where they were seen by many people, earthquake and rocks breaking in half. If true, this event would have stunned all of Jerusalem, unquestionably been documented by numerous sources, as well as other gospels and in terms of shock value would have dwarfed even the resurrection of Jesus. Yet nowhere else but in Matthew does anyone speaks of this resurrection-related miracle. if its not literal then how to determine when it is... personal preference i take it..
A little corroboration would have been nice. Like someone reading Matthew's gospel and saying "yes, I was there. I saw the dead people walking around town." Or Luke, who says he researched the events that he talks about, apparently he never interviewed Matthew and got his side of the story. Unfortunately, it makes the gospels sound like the writers added things in to spice them up. And, unfortunately, it turns some people off to the point they reject the stories as myth and legends.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
I feel that its not to be taken literally, if such an event really happened it would have been well documented, I myself see it as representing the dead, or unenlightened, rising in consciousness when the carnal self is crusified.
That's the thing, it was "well documented". It's in "God's" word. Therefore, it happened as stated. As stupid, as unlikely, no, as impossible it may seem, even though only one gospel writer mentions it, that's enough, it happened. Do any Christians really, I mean really down deep believe it? I hope they're not that gullible.
 

Shiranui117

Pronounced Shee-ra-noo-ee
Premium Member
A little corroboration would have been nice. Like someone reading Matthew's gospel and saying "yes, I was there. I saw the dead people walking around town." Or Luke, who says he researched the events that he talks about, apparently he never interviewed Matthew and got his side of the story. Unfortunately, it makes the gospels sound like the writers added things in to spice them up. And, unfortunately, it turns some people off to the point they reject the stories as myth and legends.
Then again, look at 1 Corinthians 15:

For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve. 6 After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep. 7 After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. 8 Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time.

Who are the 500 that Christ supposedly appeared to? We don't know. That's one oral tradition that has been lost. St. Paul just said, "Want proof of Christ's Resurrection? There's a little less than 500 people still alive that can tell you all about it, go ask them." I assume a similar thing in the Gospel of Matthew is at play; no witnesses were named, because if one had a question, one could simply go and corroborate the events of the Gospel with those who saw it, because they were still alive at the time that the Gospel was written. It was treated as a common-knowledge event.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
...It was treated as a common-knowledge event.
Common knowledge? Dead people, that have been rotting, coming out of the tombs? Lazarus and these guys are different than Jesus rising from the dead. Jesus' body could appear and disappear and go through closed doors, supposedly some kind of resurrection, special body made out of incorruptible flesh. Those other guys? Who knows what happened to them? Was there old perishable body put back together? Their dead brains and heart repaired and brought back to life? They probably died again didn't they? But, regardless, if known to be dead people came back to life and walked around town, I think it would be big news. However, if this story wasn't written down for several years and by only one gospel writer, it sounds a little fishy to me.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
Matthew 27:51-3*describes the resurrection of many godly people who exited the cemetery on Good Friday and returned to Jerusalem where they were seen by many people, earthquake and rocks breaking in half. If true, this event would have stunned all of Jerusalem, unquestionably been documented by numerous sources, as well as other gospels and in terms of shock value would have dwarfed even the resurrection of Jesus. Yet nowhere else but in Matthew does anyone speaks of this resurrection-related miracle. if its not literal then how to determine when it is... personal preference i take it..
I'm surprised that more Christians didn't reply. I guess they have to choose their battles and this one would not have been easy to win. If true, why wouldn't everybody in Jerusalem have converted on the spot. If it didn't happen, and was only written about years later by some Christian claiming to be Matthew, then who would care? Only the Christians. The rest of the people would go about their business believing in the crazy things of their own religion. Which, I wouldn't doubt, included dead people coming back to life, and floating off into space, and doing great miracles.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Matthew 27:51-3*describes the resurrection of many godly people who exited the cemetery on Good Friday and returned to Jerusalem where they were seen by many people, earthquake and rocks breaking in half. If true, this event would have stunned all of Jerusalem, unquestionably been documented by numerous sources, as well as other gospels and in terms of shock value would have dwarfed even the resurrection of Jesus. Yet nowhere else but in Matthew does anyone speaks of this resurrection-related miracle. if its not literal then how to determine when it is... personal preference i take it..

This never happened; it makes Matthew an unreliable scribe, a superstitious person in a soft language.

Regards
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Matthew 27:51-3*describes the resurrection of many godly people who exited the cemetery on Good Friday and returned to Jerusalem where they were seen by many people, earthquake and rocks breaking in half. If true, this event would have stunned all of Jerusalem, unquestionably been documented by numerous sources, as well as other gospels and in terms of shock value would have dwarfed even the resurrection of Jesus. Yet nowhere else but in Matthew does anyone speaks of this resurrection-related miracle. if its not literal then how to determine when it is... personal preference i take it..


Yeah, believe whatever you want.
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
It is a mix; if there is something truthful that should be believed; if there is something untruthful that should be rejected on merit.

Regards

This can only be done when interpretation is correct. So, I disagree with your interpretation, but I know you think your interpretation is 'right', 'simple', concise' , however it is very easy to be under that impression, as well. There is an assumption that much of the Scripture is going to be wrong, on your part, because of the 'framework' of interpreting you've modeled.
Basically, how much of the Bible is it even possible you would find to be truth, sure doesn't seem like much.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
Basically, how much of the Bible is it even possible you would find to be truth, sure doesn't seem like much.
Problem, one report from maybe Matthew the apostle, do you know for sure he wrote it? No one else mentions the dead people coming out of the tombs and walking around town. Why? If Matthew didn't write it, then the whole book is suspect. If he did write it, but "exaggerated" or made up the story of the dead people, he suspect and the book he wrote is too. So is this a true report that only Matthew cared to mention? If something like that really happened, even non-Christians should have at least said something about it, don't you think?
 
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