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The wedding of jesus
- Thread starter Ben Masada
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Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
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Do you still have any doubt about the wedding of Jesus with Mary Magdalene in Canah?
Ben
Not really....
Considering the exchange about the wine...I think it is possible Yeshua was the bride mentioned.....whno turned the water into wine.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
No, Yeshua was the wine.
little_monkey
atheist
Bordeaux or Chianti???
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
Most likely Zinfindel.
Charity
Let's go racing boys !
He would have to applaud himself, no one else will..............:sarcastic
Ben Masada
Well-Known Member
++++++++++++++++++++++++He would have to applaud himself, no one else will..............:sarcastic
I still have a name. Why "he" now?:clap
Jeremy Mason
Well-Known Member
He would have to applaud himself, no one else will..............:sarcastic
Thankfully it makes no sound. It's a golf clap.
Ben Masada
Well-Known Member
Jeremy Mason
Well-Known Member
You think I'm jealous of you...:biglaugh:
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
Well, I sure am.
If ignorance is bliss, then abject, obstinate stupidity that epitomizes this ignorance must be insanely heavenly.
Charity
Let's go racing boys !
Ben (wanted to make sure I use his name) Ben thinks Jeremy is jealous of him....:biglaugh::thud::faint:
Ben, ok let got, you say:
Exo 4:10 And Moses said to Jehovah, O my Lord, I am not a man of words now, nor since You have spoken to Your servant, but I am slow of speech and of a slow tongue.
Exo 4:10 And Moses said to Jehovah, O my Lord, I am not a man of words now, nor since You have spoken to Your servant, but I am slow of speech and of a slow tongue.
Is he willing? I think that he is been coerced to do Gods will, do you think that Moses had a greater will than God? Could he say not me, find someone else?
What????????? Could refuse God? Who pleaded?
Exo 3:15 And God said to Moses again, You shall say this to the sons of Israel, Jehovah the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is My title from generation to generation.
Where is the please Moses can/could/would you please do this little errant for me?
No, If God cannot enforce His will, He is no God, Moses was Gods servant, He was not free, no Gods servant is free.
What is valid is that if God did not blind them they would have ran with the Messiah and make Him exclusively their, that isnt Gods will.
Doh! Did he wanted to Go? Exo 3:11 And Moses said to God, Who am I that I should go to Pharaoh, and that I should bring forth the sons of Israel out of Egypt? In this instance I dont see great enthusiasm in Moses do you? This is the start of Moses commission, and it goes on and on Exo 3:13 And Moses said to God, Behold, when I come to the sons of Israel, and shall say to them, The God of your fathers has sent me to you, and they shall say to me, What is His name? What shall I say to them?
Exo 4:10 And Moses said to Jehovah, O my Lord, I am not a man of words now, nor since You have spoken to Your servant, but I am slow of speech and of a slow tongue.
Exo 4:10 And Moses said to Jehovah, O my Lord, I am not a man of words now, nor since You have spoken to Your servant, but I am slow of speech and of a slow tongue.
Is he willing? I think that he is been coerced to do Gods will, do you think that Moses had a greater will than God? Could he say not me, find someone else?
:areyoucra
What????????? Could refuse God? Who pleaded?
Exo 3:15 And God said to Moses again, You shall say this to the sons of Israel, Jehovah the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is My title from generation to generation.
Where is the please Moses can/could/would you please do this little errant for me?
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No, If God cannot enforce His will, He is no God, Moses was Gods servant, He was not free, no Gods servant is free.
Ben God is sovereign, He is Moses master, I dont understand what you problem is? If you are not Gods servant you could choose A,B,C or none, if you are Gods servant you do Gods will.
Ben, can you cite one scripture where this Free Will thing is stated, since when does God have to provide you with evidences?
What is valid is that if God did not blind them they would have ran with the Messiah and make Him exclusively their, that isnt Gods will.
Israel, right? And the Israelites thought to shunt the nations from God. It is their and nobody else, that would have been their will, Whose will prevailed? The Jews want and wait for the Warrior Messiah, we know that the Messiah came and that He will be back for His people. After reading these scriptures above there is no doubt in my mind to the Jews believe that they are exclusive and that they own God, that He is obliged to be their God and that they can resist Gods will and do as it pleases them.
Ben Masada
Well-Known Member
Ben, ok let got, you say:
Doh! Did he wanted to Go? Exo 3:11 And Moses said to God, Who am I that I should go to Pharaoh, and that I should bring forth the sons of Israel out of Egypt? In this instance I dont see great enthusiasm in Moses do you? This is the start of Moses commission, and it goes on and on Exo 3:13 And Moses said to God, Behold, when I come to the sons of Israel, and shall say to them, The God of your fathers has sent me to you, and they shall say to me, What is His name? What shall I say to them?
Exo 4:10 And Moses said to Jehovah, O my Lord, I am not a man of words now, nor since You have spoken to Your servant, but I am slow of speech and of a slow tongue.
+++Ben: - Indeed, there was no great or small enthusiasm in Moses, but he shose to obey God.
Exo 4:10 And Moses said to Jehovah, O my Lord, I am not a man of words now, nor since You have spoken to Your servant, but I am slow of speech and of a slow tongue.
Is he willing? I think that he is been coerced to do Gods will, do you think that Moses had a greater will than God? Could he say not me, find someone else?
+++Ben: - No, Moses was not willing or prepared for the task, but he chose to obey God. My point is that he was not forced into anything. God did not interfere with his freewill.
What????????? Could refuse God? Who pleaded?
+++Ben: - Yes, Moses could refuse God, but he chose not to. "Pleaded" is a term that I used to illustrate the fact that God was not forcing Moses into obeying.
Exo 3:15 And God said to Moses again, You shall say this to the sons of Israel, Jehovah the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is My title from generation to generation.
+++Ben: - "You shall say..." This is not an order. After Moses agreed to do what God had asked him to, then as instructions, thus you shall say...
Where is the please Moses can/could/would you please do this little errant for me?
+++Ben: - Now, you are being sarchastic.
No, If God cannot enforce His will, He is no God, Moses was Gods servant, He was not free, no Gods servant is free.
+++Ben: - Oh yes! We are all free. It's out of our freewill that we choose to act as God's servant. There is nothing God can't do but one: To interfere with man's freewill.
Ben God is sovereign, He is Moses master, I dont understand what you problem is? If you are not Gods servant you could choose A,B,C or none, if you are Gods servant you do Gods will.
+++Ben: - Yes, I agree with you, but He is not Master of our freewill. Even a slave-owner is not master of his slave's freewill. I am God's servant because that's what I want to be, but I can choose A,B,C or none. I do God's will because it's my will to do it.
Ben, can you cite one scripture where this Free Will thing is stated, since when does God have to provide you with evidences?
+++Ben: - Genesis 4:7 - Cain was planning to kill Abel and God simply warned him of the consequences of his actions, but He did not twist or changed his nature from a freeman to a robbot. Here is another one: Deuteronomy 30:19 - God sets before us
life and death and suggests to us to choose life so that we may live.
What is valid is that if God did not blind them they would have ran with the Messiah and make Him exclusively their, that isnt Gods will.
+++Ben: - I know, but our will takes precedence to God's will. He does not want robbots. He wants free beings to choose to love Him or not.
Israel, right? And the Israelites thought to shunt the nations from God. It is their and nobody else, that would have been their will, Whose will prevailed?
+++Ben: - I know it's somehow hard for you to understand, but our will always prevails. However, if we choose that God's will prevail, it will, but because we have chosen that it be so.
The Jews want and wait for the Warrior Messiah, we know that the Messiah came and that He will be back for His people. After reading these scriptures above there is no doubt in my mind to the Jews believe that they are exclusive and that they own God, that He is obliged to be their God and that they can resist Gods will and do as it pleases them.
+++Ben: - Well, my dear friend. It's not we saying that we are exclusive. If you believe the Scriptures, everything is down on the paper. You are right again by saying that we can resist God's will and do as we please, but as you can see, we have chosen to obey and do God's will. And about being an exclusive people of God,
you know that you can too, according to Isaiah 56:1-8. In fact, time will come when
Gentiles from other nations will take hold of every Jew by the edge of his garment and say, "Let us go with you for we are finally sure that God is with you. That's in Zechariah 8:23. Do you know why? Because "Salvation is of the Jews." (John 4:22)
Ben:clap
Heneni
Miss Independent
Ben Masada
Well-Known Member
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Salvation if of the JEWS. Jesus was the salvation of the jews.
If he had meant what you say, he would have said to that woman that "salvation is of this Jew." But he said, "salvation is of the Jews," and it doesn't help to adulterate what is written. Jesus was part of the salvation as a member of the people, and not himself individually. :sorry1:
Ben
Heneni
Miss Independent
LOL....well, you can also argue that jesus was saying to her, that her salvation comes from someone that is BORN a jew.
I guess you'd have prefered it, if jesus always talked straight, but he had this ability to talk parabalia. (in parables).
Do you think that peter was satan? Jesus did say to him...'get behind me satan!' I wouldnt be surprised if you DID!
Ben Masada
Well-Known Member
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Behold! Now, I agree with you. It's very probable that that conversation of Jesus with the Samaritan woman was but a parable of his.
About Peter being Satan, of course not! I don't even believe in Satan as a being according to Christianity. Satan is a concept to illustrate the evil inclination in man.
As a being, it was fabricated by religious crooks to play with people's fears, and make a living out of their naivete.
Ben
It will be Christian Jew:shout
Ben Masada
Well-Known Member
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That's the same as being a hyphenated Jew, and the same as nothing. There is no such a thing as a Christian Jew or a Jewish Christian. One is either a Jew or a Christian. Jews who accept the things of Christianity and insist upon being indentified as Jews are no different from the hyphenated Jews-for-Baal of the time of Elijah, straddling the issue between God and Baal. (I Kings 18:21)
Ben