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The wedding of jesus

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emiliano

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Ben Masada said:
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That's the same as being a hyphenated Jew, and the same as nothing. There is no such a thing as a Christian Jew or a Jewish Christian. One is either a Jew or a Christian. Jews who accept the things of Christianity and insist upon being indentified as Jews are no different from the hyphenated Jews-for-Baal of the time of Elijah, straddling the issue between God and Baal. (I Kings 18:21)
Ben:eek:
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And I know so many of them, I even know some Catholic Jews.:shout
 
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angellous_evangellous

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Ben Masada said:
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That's the same as being a hyphenated Jew, and the same as nothing. There is no such a thing as a Christian Jew or a Jewish Christian. One is either a Jew or a Christian. Jews who accept the things of Christianity and insist upon being indentified as Jews are no different from the hyphenated Jews-for-Baal of the time of Elijah, straddling the issue between God and Baal. (I Kings 18:21)
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There's also no such thing as an African-American.:eek:
 
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angellous_evangellous

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You are right! "African-American" is a conventionalizing arrangement of words in order to minimize attempts to hurt sensibilities. What is real is the black race.
Ben:rolleyes:
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Also, no American-Indian...

or a near-sighted fool...
 
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emiliano

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Ben Masada said:
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There is no such a thing as a Christian Jew or a Jewish Christian. One is either a Jew or a Christian.
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Ben you will have to take a position, Jewish people claim that you are born a Jew and you can never be non-Jew. So if a Jew converts he/she remains a Jew.
 
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Ben Masada

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emiliano said:
Ben you will have to take a position, Jewish people claim that you are born a Jew and you can never be non-Jew. So if a Jew converts he/she remains a Jew.
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Not so fast Emiliano!

Who could be more "Jewish" than being born of Isaac avinu and Rebeca? Nevertheless, Esau was born a Gentile. It means that being born of Jewish parents is not an absolute guarantee that one is Jewish. I am not too attached to the etnicity factor. A Jew is the one who remains Jewish, I mean, loyal to Judaism, even if he or she does not practise the faith. Only as long as he or she won't confess the faith of the Gentiles.
Ben:sorry1:
 
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Ben Masada

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angellous_evangellous said:
Also, no American-Indian...

or a near-sighted fool...
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"American in American-Indian is just an adjective to identify the origin of the Indian.

The "near-sighted" before the fool is just to make the fool worse than he already is as a fool.

How would you call a Christian who became a Buddhist, a Christian-Buddhist? How about a Muslim who converted to Christianity, a Muslim-Christian? I think it's enough, if you didn't get the idea by now, you must be beyond repair or too-near-sighted.
Ben:rolleyes:
 
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emiliano

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Ben Masada said:
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Not so fast Emiliano!

Who could be more "Jewish" than being born of Isaac avinu and Rebeca? Nevertheless, Esau was born a Gentile. It means that being born of Jewish parents is not an absolute guarantee that one is Jewish. I am not too attached to the etnicity factor. A Jew is the one who remains Jewish, I mean, loyal to Judaism, even if he or she does not practise the faith. Only as long as he or she won't confess the faith of the Gentiles.
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What this got to do with anything? Esau was born a Gentile? It means that being born of Jewish parents is not an absolute guarantee that one is Jewish, this is a simile, right? When did Esau became a gentile? He was born to a Jew couple and was the twin of a Jew, you say ”I am not too attached to the etnicity factor” I already noticed it and I don’t subscribe to your. Sooooooo you know what? I think that we must thankful to God that blind you.:shout
 
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Ben Masada

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emiliano said:
What this got to do with anything? Esau was born a Gentile? It means that being born of Jewish parents is not an absolute guarantee that one is Jewish, this is a simile, right? When did Esau became a gentile? He was born to a Jew couple and was the twin of a Jew, you say ”I am not too attached to the etnicity factor” I already noticed it and I don’t subscribe to your. Sooooooo you know what? I think that we must thankful to God that blind you.:shout
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Esau, even before being born was a Gentile. They were twins: One Jacob gave origin
to the Jews, the People anointed to be the one. Esau gave origin to a Gentile people called the Edomites. It's all in the Scriptures. You have only to open it and serve yourself.
Ben:rolleyes:
 
Yid613

Yid613

Member
Ben Masada said:
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Esau, even before being born was a Gentile. They were twins: One Jacob gave origin
to the Jews, the People anointed to be the one. Esau gave origin to a Gentile people called the Edomites. It's all in the Scriptures. You have only to open it and serve yourself.
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The Edomites supposedly become the Romans.
 
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Ben Masada

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Yid613 said:
The Edomites supposedly become the Romans.
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And I thought the Romans had originated from run-aways from Troy when it was destroyed by the Greeks with Eneas as the leader. You see, I don't know everything.
Ben :bow:
 
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yearegods

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I belive you well let me not say belive because belief is acceptance of somthing you dont know and I know for a fact that jesus was married and the wedding spoke of in the bible was his. I would like to speak with you more on these type of subjects.
 
gnostic

gnostic

The Lost One
Ben Masada said:
Who could be more "Jewish" than being born of Isaac avinu and Rebeca? Nevertheless, Esau was born a Gentile. It means that being born of Jewish parents is not an absolute guarantee that one is Jewish. I am not too attached to the etnicity factor. A Jew is the one who remains Jewish, I mean, loyal to Judaism, even if he or she does not practise the faith. Only as long as he or she won't confess the faith of the Gentiles.
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It doesn't say anywhere that Esau was Gentile-born. Both Esau and Jacob were sons of Isaac and Rebecca, and they were twins. Esau was born first, so had birthright, and being a strong hunter, he was Isaac's favorite. Jacob was Rebecca's favorite, and was the wiser of the twins, and managed to swindle Esau of the birthright of being first-born.

The other biggest difference between the twins, was that Jacob wisely married a relative, hence a Hebrew woman. Esau on the other hand, had married foreign women - Hittites (Genesis 26:34) and then a Canaanite (Genesis 28:6). So Esau had nothing to do with being a foreigner; his wives were so.
 
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Ben Masada

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gnostic said:
It doesn't say anywhere that Esau was Gentile-born. Both Esau and Jacob were sons of Isaac and Rebecca, and they were twins. Esau was born first, so had birthright, and being a strong hunter, he was Isaac's favorite. Jacob was Rebecca's favorite, and was the wiser of the twins, and managed to swindle Esau of the birthright of being first-born.

The other biggest difference between the twins, was that Jacob wisely married a relative, hence a Hebrew woman. Esau on the other hand, had married foreign women - Hittites (Genesis 26:34) and then a Canaanite (Genesis 28:6). So Esau had nothing to do with being a foreigner; his wives were so.
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Jacob did not swindle Esau of the birthright due to the first-born for nothing. There must have been a Divine reason for that, metaphorically or not, but something was on the make.

Remember why Ruben, the first son of Jacob lost his birthright? Because of his sporting with Bilha, his father's concubine. Next, Shmeon and Levi were in line for the birthright but they also lost it for the fiasco in Sherchem which caused Jacob a lot of anxiety. Foolish reasons they might be, something was on the make for Judah. There was another threat: Joseph whom Jacob wanted to please. But perhaps for the sake of Judah, Joseph was removed to grow up in a non-"Jewish" environment, so that Jacob would forget about making him the first-born. So, Judah became the one.

Now, back to Esau, I think you are now ready to understand Malachi 1:1,2. The Divine love of Israel, the Jewish people is compared and explained based on the fact that God, since the day the twin brothers were born, love Jacob and hated Esau. "Hated" here carries the connotation of preference or distinction between two peoples. Then, we have that the descendants of Jacob constituted the People of God, and the descendants of Esau constituted a faction of the Gentiles.

Ben:clap
 
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