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The whole Bible is not from God

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
The whole Bible is not from God. Some people who wrote parts of the Bible were wrong about God. God has never asked us humans to kill each other.

Yes many parts of the Bible is from God, but some parts of the Bible is not from God

How to know what is from God in the Bible? That is simple. God is love and just. What is against love and justice is not from God. God is against killing innocent people.

Any thoughts? Do you agree og disagree?

The Baha'i see the Bible in that light that it is indeed of God.

"THIS book is the Holy Book of God, of celestial Inspiration. It is the Bible of Salvation, the Noble Gospel. It is the mystery of the Kingdom and its light. It is the Divine Bounty, the sign of the guidance of God." ‘Abdu’l-Bahá Abbás.

In the end the Baha'i see that the One God is the Author of all the Major Faiths.

The letters B and E were knit together.

Regards Tony
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
The whole Bible is not from God. Some people who wrote parts of the Bible were wrong about God. God has never asked us humans to kill each other.

Yes many parts of the Bible is from God, but some parts of the Bible is not from God

How to know what is from God in the Bible? That is simple. God is love and just. What is against love and justice is not from God. God is against killing innocent people.

Any thoughts? Do you agree og disagree?
So the parts you like and agree with are from God and the parts you dislike and disagree with are not. Got it.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The whole Bible is not from God. Some people who wrote parts of the Bible were wrong about God. God has never asked us humans to kill each other.

Yes many parts of the Bible is from God, but some parts of the Bible is not from God

How to know what is from God in the Bible? That is simple. God is love and just. What is against love and justice is not from God. God is against killing innocent people.

Any thoughts? Do you agree og disagree?
I think the Catholic church wrote a fair if not a substantial portion of the Bible.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
The whole Bible is not from God. Some people who wrote parts of the Bible were wrong about God. God has never asked us humans to kill each other.

Yes many parts of the Bible is from God, but some parts of the Bible is not from God

How to know what is from God in the Bible? That is simple. God is love and just. What is against love and justice is not from God. God is against killing innocent people.

Any thoughts? Do you agree og disagree?

This is called "Post hoc ergo propter hoc".
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
There was no Bible either.

That's why the Catholics wrote it , with exception to the Torah of which the Jews wrote.

Not true. Though there was no Bible, the books were written down. This is false information.

And the Jews not only had the Torah, but the Naviim and Ketuviim also.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
The Baha'i see the Bible in that light that it is indeed of God.

"THIS book is the Holy Book of God, of celestial Inspiration. It is the Bible of Salvation, the Noble Gospel. It is the mystery of the Kingdom and its light. It is the Divine Bounty, the sign of the guidance of God." ‘Abdu’l-Bahá Abbás.
All Baha'is do not believe that the Bible is "of God."
Below are some Baha'i views of the Bible which vary widely:

Introduction

Although Bahá'ís universally share a great respect for the Bible, and acknowledge its status as sacred literature, their individual views about its authoritative status range along the full spectrum of possibilities. At one end there are those who assume the uncritical evangelical or fundamentalist-Christian view that the Bible is wholly and indisputably the word of God. At the other end are Bahá'ís attracted to the liberal, scholarly conclusion that the Bible is no more than a product of complex historical and human forces. Between these extremes is the possibility that the Bible contains the Word of God, but only in a particular sense of the phrase 'Word of God' or in particular texts. I hope to show that a Bahá'í view must lie in this middle area, and can be defined to some degree.

Conclusion

The Bahá'í viewpoint proposed by this essay has been established as follows: The Bible is a reliable source of Divine guidance and salvation, and rightly regarded as a sacred and holy book. However, as a collection of the writings of independent and human authors, it is not necessarily historically accurate. Nor can the words of its writers, although inspired, be strictly defined as 'The Word of God' in the way the original words of Moses and Jesus could have been. Instead there is an area of continuing interest for Bahá'í scholars, possibly involving the creation of new categories for defining authoritative religious literature.


A Baháí View of the Bible

"Mírza Abú'l-Fadl was praised and recommended by 'Abdu'l-Bahá and has been justifiably called the most learned and erudite Bahá'í scholar[16]

Regarding the Old Testament, Fadl said that it contained two types of teaching: a) revelation from God, such as the 10 commandments of Moses, the Psalms of David and the books of the Prophets, and b) historical information, such as the books Joshua, Samuel, Kings and Chronicles "...which contain no statement, sign or hint of being divine speech and therefore should not be considered as revelation."[17]

Concerning the Book of Christ, he wrote that "The Holy Gospels alone contain teachings which can be regarded as the true Words of God; and these teachings do not exceed the contents of a few pages."[18]


A Baháí View of the Bible
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
"Mírza Abú'l-Fadl was praised and recommended by 'Abdu'l-Bahá and has been justifiably called the most learned and erudite Bahá'í scholar[16]

Regarding the Old Testament, Fadl said that it contained two types of teaching: a) revelation from God, such as the 10 commandments of Moses, the Psalms of David and the books of the Prophets, and b) historical information, such as the books Joshua, Samuel, Kings and Chronicles "...which contain no statement, sign or hint of being divine speech and therefore should not be considered as revelation."[17]

How is this Bible scholarship? It's just a theological opinion based on the most apparent reading. Nothing more.
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
All Baha'is do not believe that the Bible is "of God."
Below are some Baha'i views of the Bible which vary widely:

Introduction

Although Bahá'ís universally share a great respect for the Bible, and acknowledge its status as sacred literature, their individual views about its authoritative status range along the full spectrum of possibilities. At one end there are those who assume the uncritical evangelical or fundamentalist-Christian view that the Bible is wholly and indisputably the word of God. At the other end are Bahá'ís attracted to the liberal, scholarly conclusion that the Bible is no more than a product of complex historical and human forces. Between these extremes is the possibility that the Bible contains the Word of God, but only in a particular sense of the phrase 'Word of God' or in particular texts. I hope to show that a Bahá'í view must lie in this middle area, and can be defined to some degree.

Conclusion

The Bahá'í viewpoint proposed by this essay has been established as follows: The Bible is a reliable source of Divine guidance and salvation, and rightly regarded as a sacred and holy book. However, as a collection of the writings of independent and human authors, it is not necessarily historically accurate. Nor can the words of its writers, although inspired, be strictly defined as 'The Word of God' in the way the original words of Moses and Jesus could have been. Instead there is an area of continuing interest for Bahá'í scholars, possibly involving the creation of new categories for defining authoritative religious literature.


A Baháí View of the Bible

"Mírza Abú'l-Fadl was praised and recommended by 'Abdu'l-Bahá and has been justifiably called the most learned and erudite Bahá'í scholar[16]

Regarding the Old Testament, Fadl said that it contained two types of teaching: a) revelation from God, such as the 10 commandments of Moses, the Psalms of David and the books of the Prophets, and b) historical information, such as the books Joshua, Samuel, Kings and Chronicles "...which contain no statement, sign or hint of being divine speech and therefore should not be considered as revelation."[17]

Concerning the Book of Christ, he wrote that "The Holy Gospels alone contain teachings which can be regarded as the true Words of God; and these teachings do not exceed the contents of a few pages."[18]


A Baháí View of the Bible

I will go with Abdul'baha, there is a wisdom as to why he offered us that.

Regards Tony
 

Clara Tea

Well-Known Member
The whole Bible is not from God. Some people who wrote parts of the Bible were wrong about God. God has never asked us humans to kill each other.

Yes many parts of the Bible is from God, but some parts of the Bible is not from God

How to know what is from God in the Bible? That is simple. God is love and just. What is against love and justice is not from God. God is against killing innocent people.

Any thoughts? Do you agree or disagree?

I was just talking to a dear (and new) friend, who is a devout Catholic. She said that she believes in ESP, but thinks that all ESP is bad. I pointed out that Revelation was supposed to be devinely inspired by "possibly" Saint John the Divine (some say that he was not the author). But, it occurs to me that perhaps the entire bible "might" have been divinely inspired by ESP from God Himself.

So, if God did inspire the writing of the bible, it is possible that they could have some of the information about the apostles.

My new friend told me that much of the info from the apostles was written by the apostles, themselves. I don't know about that. I never heard that they wrote anything. Wouldn't such precious documents have been mentioned in the bible, and wouldn't they be preserved (as long as possible)?

If the entire bible was divinely inspired, was it possible to hear God wrong? Could that account for the many contradictions in the bible?

Even to this day, the Vatican (with the pope's approval) are deleting sections of the bible that were not properly proven to be a part of the bible. But we are still often left pondering if there are sections that did not come from God.

Presumably, angels (likely at God's direction, since I can't imagine an all knowing God not knowing), told Abraham to murder his son Isaac. Then the angels told him not to, just barely before he carried out the orders.

If God had really told Abraham to murder Isaac, it likely was not a test to the loyalty of God, but, rather, a test of Abraham's understanding of God's commandment not to kill, and the understanding that one does not harm another in order to get into heaven (do unto others).

I think that the story of Jonah in a whale was interpreted incorrectly. I proper context, Jonah had been traveling through a desert, and was very hungry. I think that the miracle was that God provided a beached whale for him to eat and he ate the most succulent part (the bellly). Likely the wording was something to the effect: "sustained in the belly of the whale" (meaning he ate whale belly meat). But, translated incorrectly, it would mean that a whale swallowed Jonah and he lived inside of the whale. Logically, he would have drowned if the whale went under for any length of time, unless he could find an air pocket. Furthermore, he had no food to eat, unless he ate what the whale ate or ate the whale from the inside out. Also, there are no ancient whale bones large enough to have swallowed Jonah.

With large portions of the bible obscure in meaning, mistranslated, and contradictory, I have to admit that we cannot fully trust the bible.

But, if all we know of God is contained in the bible, then we have a problem believing the bible, and problem believing in God. However, some people's faith is based on their feelings about God, and some psychics claim to have contacted God or angels. So, perhaps they have their own reasons for believing that have nothing to do with the bible?
 

Clara Tea

Well-Known Member
So the parts you like and agree with are from God and the parts you dislike and disagree with are not. Got it.

I guess that applies to the law, as well. Someone might not like the restrictions of not killing bank guards and stealing bank money.

If we are allowed to cherry-pick the bible (or law books), then we could do some serious damage.
 

Clara Tea

Well-Known Member
All Baha'is do not believe that the Bible is "of God."
Below are some Baha'i views of the Bible which vary widely:

Introduction

Although Bahá'ís universally share a great respect for the Bible, and acknowledge its status as sacred literature, their individual views about its authoritative status range along the full spectrum of possibilities. At one end there are those who assume the uncritical evangelical or fundamentalist-Christian view that the Bible is wholly and indisputably the word of God. At the other end are Bahá'ís attracted to the liberal, scholarly conclusion that the Bible is no more than a product of complex historical and human forces. Between these extremes is the possibility that the Bible contains the Word of God, but only in a particular sense of the phrase 'Word of God' or in particular texts. I hope to show that a Bahá'í view must lie in this middle area, and can be defined to some degree.

Conclusion

The Bahá'í viewpoint proposed by this essay has been established as follows: The Bible is a reliable source of Divine guidance and salvation, and rightly regarded as a sacred and holy book. However, as a collection of the writings of independent and human authors, it is not necessarily historically accurate. Nor can the words of its writers, although inspired, be strictly defined as 'The Word of God' in the way the original words of Moses and Jesus could have been. Instead there is an area of continuing interest for Bahá'í scholars, possibly involving the creation of new categories for defining authoritative religious literature.


A Baháí View of the Bible

"Mírza Abú'l-Fadl was praised and recommended by 'Abdu'l-Bahá and has been justifiably called the most learned and erudite Bahá'í scholar[16]

Regarding the Old Testament, Fadl said that it contained two types of teaching: a) revelation from God, such as the 10 commandments of Moses, the Psalms of David and the books of the Prophets, and b) historical information, such as the books Joshua, Samuel, Kings and Chronicles "...which contain no statement, sign or hint of being divine speech and therefore should not be considered as revelation."[17]

Concerning the Book of Christ, he wrote that "The Holy Gospels alone contain teachings which can be regarded as the true Words of God; and these teachings do not exceed the contents of a few pages."[18]


A Baháí View of the Bible

"Bahá'í viewpoint proposed by this essay has been established as follows: The Bible is a reliable source of Divine guidance"

Maybe most of the bible is right, but there are some parts that randomly are wrong. It sounds similar to quantum mechanics which cannot accurately predict both the location and momentum of a particle (Heisenburg Uncertainty Principle). However, with quantum mechanics we can find a probability of finding it or finding its momentum.

Perhaps we can come up with a probability of certain passages of the bible being right?

This is better than wondering why the bible has contradictions.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
"God is against killing innocent people"

is untrue

Is it? I wonder why you say that.
That is a human quality "being judgmental", while God exhorts us in Genesis to not do that "don't eat from the tree of knowledge of good and bad". God is beyond human quality, right?

Also:

How could God ask of us "don't do it", while He Himself gives not a good example?
 

Thea

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That is a human quality "being judgmental", while God exhorts us in Genesis to not do that "don't eat from the tree of knowledge of good and bad". God is beyond human quality, right?

Also:

How could God ask of us "don't do it", while He Himself gives not a good example?

Also:

How could God ask of us "don't do it", while He Himself gives not a good example?

Thank you for your reply. Unfortunately I don’t know the answers to your questions. For me:

God = good.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
Thank you for your reply. Unfortunately I don’t know the answers to your questions.
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God is beyond my comprehension
Hence I don't even try to understand
I do my best to purify my body, mind, emotion etc
Because the purer the antenna, the purer the reception/understanding

For me:

God = good.
That sounds good to me too
 
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