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The witchhunt continues...
- Thread starter Father Heathen
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The science says that is the more common outcome, but it also says that that is not always the case.So, you are saying that an XX is a female and an XY is a male. GREAT!
Science acknowledges every single potential outcome and having a Y chromosome but being born with inner and/or outer female sex organs is a known phenomenon. Perhaps underreported even
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
No, gender is not in the brain. Gender is not how you feel. If you disagree then define the genders, define woman and man please.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
What do you mean by "feel"? You appear to be using the term incorrectly.
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
I know words change over time. What are the new definitions then? How do you define woman and man?
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
What are your definitions of woman and man? Would you answer my question I have asked first?
Yes... there are physical anomalies.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
My definitions do not matter. It would have been valid if you asked what the current definitions are. But you could have looked that up yourself. Make sure that you check all of them.
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
What do you think the correct definitions are?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Just for fun I looked up the definition of "Man". The first dictionary I came to was the Miriam Webster dictionary.
I am going to their first definition:
1
a(1)
: an individual human
especially : an adult male human
Now some of you might be going "Aha!!" But not so fast. The word "male" is not clear. Let's see what that says:
For this I do have to go with their second definition:
b
: having a gender identity that is the opposite of female
www.merriam-webster.com
www.merriam-webster.com
It looks like Miriam Webster supports the trans population.
I am going to their first definition:
1
a(1)
: an individual human
especially : an adult male human
Now some of you might be going "Aha!!" But not so fast. The word "male" is not clear. Let's see what that says:
For this I do have to go with their second definition:
b
: having a gender identity that is the opposite of female
Definition of MAN
an individual human; especially : an adult male human; a man belonging to a particular category (as by birth, residence, membership, or occupation) —usually used in combination; husband… See the full definition
Definition of MALE
of, relating to, or being the sex that typically has the capacity to produce relatively small, usually motile gametes which fertilize the eggs of a female; having or producing only stamens or staminate flowers; having a gender identity that is the opposite of female… See the full definition
It looks like Miriam Webster supports the trans population.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
There is no "correct" definition usually. There is merely usage that changes with time.
What does "homely" mean? Today it means unattractive. It did not mean that at all originally.
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
So are you saying there is no definition? How do you use it?
As I've said to others earlier in this thread, the variation that I'm concerned with is relatively new. Yes, I understand what's been going on for decades, no debate from me there.
What's new-ish however is trans women who make no attempt to look like women using these facilities. It's no longer uncommon to see trans women sporting full, thick beards.
It's this new situation that's different than the past. And I'm NOT concerned that the trans women are any more violent than any other segment of the population. The concern is that if it becomes "normal" to see people who look like men entering women's restrooms, then all women will be put at greater risk. Because violent men will - in practice - have a much easier time entering women's restrooms without anyone raising an eyebrow.
Policing women's looks to 'Passing standards' is misogyny. It's why so many more masculine presenting cis women are being bothered by irate pearl clutches who should just be minding their own business. And because of numb skulled bathroom laws, it's far easier for any prospective predator to just claim to be a trans man than bother with attempted rationalizations for 'passing' criticism.
Or just not do any of that, and go in anyway, which is what assailants who have assaulted already do.
If this wasn't just recycled moral panic levied at gays and POC 'letting the good ones in also lets bad ones in,' then we should stop talking about trans people entirely and start talking about unisex privacy stalls.
anna.
colors your eyes with what's not there
Really? How often do you see this?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
No. Quite the opposite. Words have different meanings at different times. Like it or not it is not a lie to call a transwoman a woman. As to how does one use it? Correctly hopefully.
Okay not to at all suggest you are lying about this. I’m genuinely not. Seriously, please don’t take this reply as such.
But this strikes me as either propaganda being spread or something wholly and utterly weird.
Not an expert on transitioning, obviously. But as I understand it, no trans woman would presumably want to sport any kind of facial hair, whatsoever. Since that is a cultural indication of masculinity and therefore completely opposite to their gender identity. Only increasing their dysphoria and making them feel uncomfortable in their body.
Like it is quite literally antithetical to the transition process.
Is there a reason for this occurring? Lack of access to gender affirming care? De-transitioning? Some kind of cultural signal?
Bad faith actors?
I don’t know, this just raises all sorts of questions and seems rather suspicious.
Either that or said reports are of people literally and purposefully going against all gender conformity (known as non binary. This is a seperate phenomenon to trans individuals and may have more to do with the intersex phenomenon.)
But they’re usually a bit more subdued.
I would be questioning the validity of these claims. Because they strike me as very….odd. To say the least
I can understand your concern.
But like I said, the current hyper fixation on this has caused trauma to cis women, if the complaints are genuine.
Not every woman looks traditionally feminine. (The criteria of which differs culture to culture) That’s just a fact of biology. So by drawing all this attention and paranoia to the issue, it is resulting in rather nefarious results to actual real life women.
Which, I think we both agree, is not a positive outcome. Right?
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Well for every so called “rule” there is an exception. Biology is no different.
Anomalies are treated as strictly neutral in scientific speech in most scenarios. Since with a little “medical science” the individual can live a healthy and prosperous life.
We should be careful not to conflate the term with something negative though.
Sadly in regular speech that is typically the case.
I mean said “anomalies” are still thinking feeling human beings at the end of the day. It’s important to always remember that
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I find it remarkable people still haven't realized nature is messy and sloppy, and black and white only exists to what can see them. And for all we know, it still laughs at us when we realize we know less than we did we tried to figure it out. It laughed at so hard that it dwarves anything we used to think as the totality of Creation. We're wrong and wrong again and wrong some more.
And it every way possible, it doesn't give a damn what we think about it.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
That's been going on for a while to, though without doubt the frequency has skyrocketed over the past few years.