If god exists it should save all the wrath for itself, as it supposedly created human nature.
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The wrath of God
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If god exists it should save all the wrath for itself, as it supposedly created human nature.
Remté
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Did you know that on a way He made human higher in nature than angels?
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Subduction Zone
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You really need to find a better source than your apologetics one that younused. Of course if one does one quickly finds that Biblical slavery was probably just as bad as slavery in the South.
Subduction Zone
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All angles or does that refer only to acute ones?
Father Heathen
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My thoughts are that, if there is a god, it would be a being of pure love and pure logic. Therefore anything deficient or devoid of compassion or reason cannot be of god. This of course rules out the abrahamic depiction of such an entity.
Remté
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Because anything beyond that surpasses your understanding and how could there be something that you cannot understand?
Not quite.
The god of the bible is murderous, vengeful, threatening, intolerant, homophobic, freely admits to telling lies and making evil, orders invasive wars, total massacres of the conquered, except that the virgins are to be spared and divided among the troops, instigates human sacrifices (not just the famous one), supports slavery, and so on.
Speaking as a loving parent and grandparent, and friend, I can confidently say that God doesn't act like a loving parent or friend. [He] just sits on [his] hands, and neither says nor does. Except, to be fair, George Dubya Bush said Jesus approved his invasion of Iraq in advance (assuming Jesus is God).
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I think you mean angels, NOT angles.
I don't reckon it did anything of the kind as I doubt it exists.
Remté
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I was responding to you if. Now you want to take that away.I think you mean angels, NOT angles.
I don't reckon it did anything of the kind as I doubt it exists.
You make statements without evidence to support them.
Remté
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You're afraid.
I dont believe murdering the entire fauna* and flora of a planet except a close buddy, the buddies close family and about 17 million animals to be loving or just.
* Including innocent children and pregnant women along with their fetus.
I do not believe a god who murders the innocent firstborn children of an entire country just to make a point to be rational.
Seems more of a manic psychopath to me
Remté
Active Member
What are you talking about?
Threats of the consequences of disbelief, threat of God's wrath, are dominant throughout the history of Judaism, Christianity and Islam., and scripture
Probably the flood of Noah.
wellwisher
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Humans are free moral agents, meaning we have the ability to make choices. The animal has no similar choice, but rather they follow instinct; plan. Humans have lost instinct ,in exchange for choice.
As an analogy, say you were part of AI; artificial intelligence, development team. The goal of AI, is for a computer program and hardware, that can make its own choices, and not just be an automaton that obeys its programing, 100%. It supposed to have free will, and be able to make decisions that are not anticipated. This is how you will know the AI is alive.
Since destruction is easier than building, the first baby steps of the AI, will be simple and often destructive. The two year old child can destroy your 1000 piece puzzle, much easier that it can help you build it. On the one hand, you will marvel at its autonomous behavior, but on the other, if it started to erase the code, you would be pissed. Yet, you would try to be patient, since this is the growing pains of the AI.
Once the AI gets over the hump, and starts to become more constructive than destructive, then the marvel combines with your sense of pride in the new invention. The Old Testament God had to deal with a new AI firmware, within the human brain, that gave it autonomy. This autonomy was good, but the growing pains began very destructive, like the terrible two's of childhood. This created mixed feelings and frustrating days in the earth lab.
By the time of Jesus, the AI had finally stabilized; age four, and was on the upswing, but not yet perfect. Forgiveness of sins is now more acceptable, since the destruction of code, now appears to lead to the AI, writing its own code. This is marvelous and requires we withhold judgment and be patient.
sealchan
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I think that whenever God is shown to persecute the innocent He is portrayed as an amoral agent wanting to influence moral behavior...not the best example. It tends to inspire power complexes in its victims.
This is why the story of the crucifixion of His son is a step in the right direction.
The problem, I think, is that the Jewish Testament was written for an physically and emotionally abused people who suffered in the extreme ways described. God cannot be the force of either Nature or factual History and come out being a moral agent.
Why do you assume "doing evil?" Am I to conclude that without fear of God's wrath that you would be an evil person?
The bible genesis, noahs flood and exodus, murder of firstborn