The Zimmerman Trial

[DallasApple]

That would be a matter of opinion rather than fact.

What was "suspicious " about him.Tell me.

 

[Revoltingest]

What was "suspicious " about him.Tell me.

I don't know...I wasn't there.
But I've been in a position to judge people who try to steal from me.
After enuf experience, I got pretty good at spotting those who would
ordinarily escape notice. So I know that people can look suspicious.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

It could have simply been that everyone in the neighborhood knows each other and Zimmerman didn't recognize Martin. I'm suspicious of people I've never seen in my neighborhood, as are many other people.

 

[gzusfrk]

well it is the neighborhood watch program, not the neighborhood pursue,or stalk or confront program. zim knew he had the gun, knew he could defend himself it needed, I dont think he would have got so close if he did not have the gun. He should have called the police, and let them do their job.

 

[Galen.Iksnudnard]

I think Zimmerman should have been found guilty.

He had no business following Trayvon around in the first place, and had Trayvon been a white kid named Tommy instead, I'll bet that Zimmerman wouldn't have even taken any action.

The police told him to back off but he didn't listen.

He should have at least been found guilty of manslaughter. Even if he wasn't looking for a fight (which I don't believe), he certainly acted out of order and was negligent in his actions. Let's remember that Zimmerman got a trial; Trayvon didn't even get that - Zimmerman decided he was judge, jury and executioner on the spot.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

He should have at least been found guilty of manslaughter.

What grounds were there for conviction of manslaughter that could be proven beyond a reasonable doubt? Do you even know the definition of manslaughter?

 

[Revoltingest]

He had no business following Trayvon around in the first place, and had Trayvon been a white kid named Tommy instead, I'll bet that Zimmerman wouldn't have even taken any action.

We cannot convict someone based upon "I'll bet that Zimmerman would've....".

The police told him to back off but he didn't listen.

They did not tell him that.
The transcript.....
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

He should have at least been found guilty of manslaughter. Even if he wasn't looking for a fight (which I don't believe), he certainly acted out of order and was negligent in his actions. Let's remember that Zimmerman got a trial; Trayvon didn't even get that - Zimmerman decided he was judge, jury and executioner on the spot.

You entirely miss the central fact that Zimmerman was being pummeled, & shot in self defense.
Now, If GZ had shot TM at a distance, you could make the "executioner" charge stick.

 

[Galen.Iksnudnard]

You entirely miss the central fact that Zimmerman was being pummeled, & shot in self defense.
Now, If GZ had shot TM at a distance, you could make the "executioner" charge stick.

If Zimmerman hadn't been profiling a young black child, none of this would have happened. There wouldn't have been a fight, and nobody would have been shot.

Trayvon:

• Was a honor student with a 3.75 GPA,
• Was accepted into college on a full-ride,
• Was a volunteer of over 600 service hours,
• Was a devoted member of his church,
• Was a loyal friend and a loving son,
• Was an innocent boy.

But, black skin, skittles, ice tea and a hoodie deemed him a "threat to the community".

R.I.P

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

If Zimmerman hadn't been profiling a young black child, none of this would have happened. There wouldn't have been a fight, and nobody would have been shot.

Trayvon:

• Was a honor student with a 3.75 GPA,
• Was accepted into college on a full-ride,
• Was a volunteer of over 600 service hours,
• Was a devoted member of his church,
• Was a loyal friend and a loving son,
• Was an innocent boy.

But, black skin, skittles, ice tea and a hoodie deemed him a "threat to the community".

R.I.P

.... So you don't know the definition of manslaughter. You're just bitter because the liberal media told you to be...

 

[Revoltingest]

If Zimmerman hadn't been profiling a young black child, none of this would have happened. There wouldn't have been a fight, and nobody would have been shot.

Profiling gets a bad name, but everyone who is security conscious does it. Zimmerman described Martin's behavior in the 911 call, which is reasonable. When I've performed security duties, I profiled. It works. But it pays to treat people fairly.

Trayvon:

• Was a honor student with a 3.75 GPA,
• Was accepted into college on a full-ride,
• Was a volunteer of over 600 service hours,
• Was a devoted member of his church,
• Was a loyal friend and a loving son,
• Was an innocent boy.

Does any one of these statements defeat the fact that Martin was astride Zimmerman, pummeling him, & banging his head into the ground repeatedly. When attacked, people generally don't have the time to peruse their assailant's resume.

But, black skin, skittles, ice tea and a hoodie deemed him a "threat to the community".
R.I.P

I can't speak for Zimmerman's state of mind. But there was no evidence to convict him of the crime. Innocent Martin might've been up to the point where he violently assaulted GZ, whereupon things changed. And I'm the last person who would be convinced that Martin did no wrong simply because he went to church.

You may trot all sorts of positive things about Martin, but you've nothing to say about the smear campaign waged by the media & government regarding Zimmerman. There is the doctored 911 call by NBC to make GZ look racist, when the conversation indicated nothing of the sort. There is Nancy Grace's claim that GZ called TM a "f*****g coon. There is the prosecution's last ditch claim that GS engaged in "child abuse". There is the invention of the "white Hispanic", since merely being Hispanic wouldn't seem evil enuf. As is often said, you're entitled to your own opinion, but you're not entitled to make up your own facts.

 

[Galen.Iksnudnard]

Does any one of these statements defeat the fact that Martin was astride Zimmerman, pummeling him, & banging his head into the ground repeatedly. When attacked, people generally don't have the time to peruse their assailant's resume.

For all we know Zimmerman started it and it was Martin who was defending himself. Of course we will probably never know because Martin wasn't there to tell his side of the story.

I find it highly unlikely that a fully grown man needed to "defend" himself against a lanky teenager who was 5'6" or 5'8" at the most, weighing 140-150 pounds. Zimmerman acted like a power-hungry cop in some tin-pot dictatorship like Russia or North Korea who shoots at unarmed protestors and then claims "self-defense".

 

[Revoltingest]

For all we know Zimmerman started it and it was Martin who was defending himself. Of course we will probably never know because Martin wasn't there to tell his side of the story.

"For all we know" is the prefix to self-serving speculation.
All we know is what the evidence shows.

I find it highly unlikely that a fully grown man needed to "defend" himself against a lanky teenager who was 5'6" or 5'8" at the most, weighing 140-150 pounds.

Did you not hear the testimony about Zimmerman's dismal fighting skills?
Martin was 5'11" & 158# (per Wikipedia, a page currently under edit).
Zimmerman outweighed him & is 5'8" & 185#.
Moreover, Martin was a strapping kid, & Zimmerman a pudgy middle aged man.

Zimmerman acted like a power-hungry cop in some tin-pot dictatorship like Russia or North Korea who shoots at unarmed protestors and then claims "self-defense".

Try to stick to the evidence instead proffering fanciful & histrionic speculations as fact.

 

[Revoltingest]

More governmental mischief in the Zimmerman trial....
Exclusive: Fired employee to file lawsuit against Zimmerman prosecutors | Reuters

Ben Kruidbos, Corey's former director of information technology, was fired after testifying at a pre-trial hearing on June 6 that prosecutors failed to turn over potentially embarrassing evidence extracted from Martin's cell phone to the defense, as required by evidence-sharing laws."We will be filing a whistleblower action in (Florida's Fourth Judicial District) Circuit Court," said Kruidbos' attorney Wesley White, himself a former prosecutor who was hired by Corey but resigned in December because he disagreed with her prosecutorial priorities. He said the suit will be filed within the next 30 days.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

For all we know Zimmerman started it and it was Martin who was defending himself. Of course we will probably never know because Martin wasn't there to tell his side of the story.

I find it highly unlikely that a fully grown man needed to "defend" himself against a lanky teenager who was 5'6" or 5'8" at the most, weighing 140-150 pounds. Zimmerman acted like a power-hungry cop in some tin-pot dictatorship like Russia or North Korea who shoots at unarmed protestors and then claims "self-defense".

Trayvon Martin was about 6 feet tall... You know nothing about this case... He was also pretty far from being an "innocent boy". He had multiple suspensions from school for fighting and possession of marijuana on school property, constantly bragged about beating people up (there are phone/txt records to prove it), and was known to have a bad attitude at times. I honestly suggest you do some unbiased research before you say anything else regarding this case. You're digging yourself a deep hole full of ignorance right now.

 

[Revoltingest]

Trayvon Martin was about 6 feet tall... You know nothing about this case...

Who needs facts when one has careless impressions?

Geeze, that sounds needlessly snarky.
I'm a jerk.

 

[DallasApple]

Moreover, Martin was a strapping kid, & Zimmerman a pudgy middle aged man.

Um...maybe its just me .But I don't consider 28 to be "middle aged".That's more like "prime".

 

[Revoltingest]

Um...maybe its just me .But I don't consider 28 to be "middle aged".That's more like "prime".

Late young? Early middle aged?
He definitely looks like he's on the downhill side of life.

 

[Falvlun]

Um...maybe its just me .But I don't consider 28 to be "middle aged".That's more like "prime".

Daaang. That's only a year and a couple months older than me, and I definitely don't feel middle aged. Heck, I have a hard time considering myself an adult still.

 

[DallasApple]

Late young? Early middle aged?
He definitely looks like he's on the downhill side of life.

Late young? Early middle age? LOL!!! Sorry if you are still in your 20's there is no way in my mind to try and twist it to "getting on in years".

And if he is that fragile and aged why the heck is he running around playing rambo?

I have a 23 yo that is exactly his height and around the same weight.Sure he has a little extra around the middle but he's no weakling .

 

[DallasApple]

Daaang. That's only a year and a couple months older than me, and I definitely don't feel middle aged. Heck, I have a hard time considering myself an adult still.

Better pull out the rocking chair .Any day now...