Theistic (Biblical) Evolution: How Does This Sucker work?

[Skwim]

By not a shred... you would be overlooking billions of dead things buried in rock layers all over the earth.
Just making a fossil is usual and realizes lots of water mud and minerals and a flood will do it

And you actually believe theses flood waters sorted out the fossils in such a manner that what is found in one layer never occurs in any other layer? And that the layers themselves were distinctly sorted out so as to have differing physical characteristics? All of this from one (1), vast mix of muddy water?

C'mon, get serious.

 

[Milton Platt]

so the way to improve is to have creatures try to gobble you.... interesting speculation

I would say it went the other way. Dinosaurs only could live along with the larger versions of animals and insects if there was high oxygen and pressure but with the decrease of magnetic field possibly due to the cataclysm of the flood the previously oxygen rich higher pressure atmosphere dropped.... explaining lots of extinctions

... along with the shorter lifespan of humans post flood

but yet the major animal groups appearing fully formed without transitions in the cambrian layers
is quite consistent with a creationary view and the soft skinned fragile animals found in post flood sediment speaks of rapid burial...

What flood?

 

[Audie]

True, there are no dots to connect in the Cambrian explosion... all the major animal groups are already there at the start

"Almost every metazoan phylum with hard parts, and many that lack hard parts, made its first appearance in the Cambrian." The Cambrian Period "Also during the Cambrian, the oceans became oxygenated. Although there was plentiful atmospheric oxygen by the beginning of the period, it wasn't until the Cambrian that there was a sufficient reduction in the number of oxygen-depleting bacteria to permit higher oxygen levels in the waters. This dissolved oxygen may have triggered the "Cambrian Explosion" — when most of the major groups of animals, especially those with hard shells, first appeared in the fossil record."

but oxygen triggering the Cambrian explosion would be more rightly called speculation and not theory and some evolutionists speculate the opposite... lack of oxygen sparked the explosion... sense speculation is more fitting
https://www.economist.com/science-a...s-caused-by-a-lack-of-oxygen-not-an-abundance

so the way to improve is to have creatures try to gobble you.... interesting speculation

I would say it went the other way. Dinosaurs only could live along with the larger versions of animals and insects if there was high oxygen and pressure but with the decrease of magnetic field possibly due to the cataclysm of the flood the previously oxygen rich higher pressure atmosphere dropped.... explaining lots of extinctions

... along with the shorter lifespan of humans post flood

but yet the major animal groups appearing fully formed without transitions in the cambrian layers
is quite consistent with a creationary view and the soft skinned fragile animals found in post flood sediment speaks of rapid burial...

Oh please, you and your creosites are worse than me as a football announcer.
It is embarrassing. Show some dignity.

 

[Milton Platt]

Oh please, you and your creosites are worse than me as a football announcer.
It is embarrassing. Show some dignity.

I think you are beating a dead horse......

 

[Audie]

I think you are beating a dead horse......

Just tossing a pebble as I pass by.

Let sunz try to accomplish the unaccomplishable.

I do wish someone could find us a good creationist,
who'd be a actual dhallenge.

 

[Subduction Zone]

so the way to improve is to have creatures try to gobble you.... interesting speculation

I would say it went the other way. Dinosaurs only could live along with the larger versions of animals and insects if there was high oxygen and pressure but with the decrease of magnetic field possibly due to the cataclysm of the flood the previously oxygen rich higher pressure atmosphere dropped.... explaining lots of extinctions

... along with the shorter lifespan of humans post flood

but yet the major animal groups appearing fully formed without transitions in the cambrian layers
is quite consistent with a creationary view and the soft skinned fragile animals found in post flood sediment speaks of rapid burial...

Sorry, we can date how long ago events happened. Non-avian dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago. And of course we all know that the flood is a myth.

 

[Milton Platt]

And you actually believe theses flood waters sorted out the fossils in such a manner that what is found in one layer never occurs in any other layer? And that the layers themselves were distinctly sorted out so as to have differing physical characteristics? All of this from one (1), vast mix of muddy water?

C'mon, get serious.

He would also have to explain why each of the layers of differing animals show a successively older age.

 

[ecco]

I Believe in Evolution
You must be an atheist
No, I believe in Theistic Evolution
Oh. That's OK.

I guess that's better than believing Genesis is literal.

 

[whirlingmerc]

I Believe in Evolution
You must be an atheist
No, I believe in Theistic Evolution
Oh. That's OK.

I guess that's better than believing Genesis is literal.

Genesis is literal (literal meaning true in the sense claimed and in the sense of the literature, but it appears to claim more historicity than you grant it)

It seems odd that non believers tend to try to encourage people toward theistic evolution then try to claim theistic evolution is not compatible with the Bible anyway... in any case I do believe in some forms of adaptation but not theistic evolution as usually understood rather a creationary orchard... and I do agree theistic evolution is difficult to reconcile with the Bible

although... all Christians believe in some forms of adaption such as wolf to various dogs... horse type to various horses... cat type to various cats... just not goo to you via the zoo and one evolutionary tree

 

[Subduction Zone]

Genesis is literal (literal meaning true in the sense claimed and in the sense of the literature, but it appears to claim more historicity than you grant it)

It seems odd that non believers tend to try to encourage people toward theistic evolution then try to claim theistic evolution is not compatible with the Bible anyway... in any case I do believe in some forms of adaptation but not theistic evolution as usually understood rather a creationary orchard... and I do agree theistic evolution is difficult to reconcile with the Bible

although... all Christians believe in some forms of adaption such as wolf to various dogs... horse type to various horses... cat type to various cats... just not goo to you via the zoo and one evolutionary tree

You are of course wrong. Many, if not most Christians, accept the fact that life as we know it today is the product of evolution. I gave some links earlier on this. One of them was to a Christian organization that explains evolution for Christians. Right now you are sounding like a petulant child. Why are you afraid to learn? A real believer would not be afraid. Only the weak in faith cling to superstition to support their beliefs.

 

[1robin]

Don't earn the "color commentary" and there will not be any.

Nobody else is posting color commentary so the problem must lie with you, not me.

You would have to learn quite a bit of science to see that life is the product of evolution. I cannot educate you by myself. I can start you with some links to biology resources. But the simple fact is that there is no scientific evidence for creationism in any form and there are mountains of evidence that support the theory of evolution.

Perhaps we should start first with the scientific method. I am pretty sure that you do not understand the scientific method because you linked AiG as a source. To even work at AiG one must promise not to use the scientific method.


And in the other thread I only pointed out your errors that you had no response to. That was why the "color commentary" began. If you debate honestly there will be no need for any. That mans admitting that you are wrong when you are shown to be wrong.

I am getting sick of your condescending statements. Arrogance is the hardest quality to see in ourselves but the easiest to see in others. In 13000 posts you may be the most arrogant poster I have seen.

So I am ending all our current discussions. In no thread are we having a discussion in. I may at some point in the future discuss something with you but if you keep up this same old garbage I will place you on my ignore list and if you keep chasing me from thread to thread I will report you for stalking.

It is a shame, I tried everything I could to get you to be more humble and keep your responses brief. Nothing worked, too bad, I tried.

 

[ecco]

Genesis is literal (literal meaning true in the sense claimed and in the sense of the literature, but it appears to claim more historicity than you grant it)

If that means in the sense that a worldwide Flood actually occurred, well, you are entitled to your opinion.

It seems odd that non believers tend to try to encourage people toward theistic evolution

I'm a non-believer and I would not "try to encourage people toward theistic evolution ".

although... all Christians believe in some forms of adaption such as wolf to various dogs... horse type to various horses... cat type to various cats... just not goo to you via the zoo and one evolutionary tree

Those "forms of adaption..." are not evolution, theistic or otherwise.

 

[ecco]

A real believer would not be afraid.

It is the "real believer" who has everything to lose.

 

[whirlingmerc]

If that means in the sense that a worldwide Flood actually occurred, well, you are entitled to your opinion.



I'm a non-believer and I would not "try to encourage people toward theistic evolution ".


Those "forms of adaption..." are not evolution, theistic or otherwise.

they are not animal type to animal type.... true...
and yes the flood actually did happen

 

[whirlingmerc]

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You are of course wrong. Many, if not most Christians, accept the fact that life as we know it today is the product of evolution. I gave some links earlier on this. One of them was to a Christian organization that explains evolution for Christians. Right now you are sounding like a petulant child. Why are you afraid to learn? A real believer would not be afraid. Only the weak in faith cling to superstition to support their beliefs.

most conservative Bible believing Christians are not theistic evolutionists, some are
for example for conservative denominations like the PCA or OPC some people may believe in theistic evolution but it is not a recommended view

most liberals tend to accept evolution but have a lower view of scripture

many denominations do not accept evolution

Southern Baptist Convention (largest baptist)
Presbyterian Church in America (largest conservative presbyterian)
National Baptist Convention USA
International Circle of Faith
Calvary Chapel
Church of God (Cleveland)
Assemblies of God
Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod
Seventh-Day Adventists

 

[Subduction Zone]

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most conservative Bible believing Christians are not theistic evolutionists, some are
for example for conservative denominations like the PCA or OPC some people may believe in theistic evolution but it is not a recommended view

most liberals tend to accept evolution but have a lower view of scripture

many denominations do not accept evolution

Southern Baptist Convention (largest baptist)
Presbyterian Church in America (largest conservative presbyterian)
National Baptist Convention USA
International Circle of Faith
Calvary Chapel
Church of God (Cleveland)
Assemblies of God
Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod
Seventh-Day Adventists

I did not say "conservative". Who cares what excuse they use to blame their ignorance. And some denominations accept evolution. I could cite that many that do not have a problem with reality.

And of course the number one problem with accepting the creation myth is that you are calling God a liar. Why would a "conservative" Christian call God a liar?

 

[Subduction Zone]

they are not animal type to animal type.... true...
and yes the flood actually did happen

No, we know that the flood never happened. Once again you call God a liar.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Nobody else is posting color commentary so the problem must lie with you, not me.

Where have I posted "color commentary"? Just because you do not like a fact does not make it "color commentary. Complaining about it only makes it worse.

I am getting sick of your condescending statements. Arrogance is the hardest quality to see in ourselves but the easiest to see in others. In 13000 posts you may be the most arrogant poster I have seen.
So I am ending all our current discussions. In no thread are we having a discussion in. I may at some point in the future discuss something with you but if you keep up this same old garbage I will place you on my ignore list and if you keep chasing me from thread to thread I will report you for stalking.

It is a shame, I tried everything I could to get you to be more humble and keep your responses brief. Nothing worked, too bad, I tried.

I have given you far more respect than you have merited. As towards arrogance you are in desperate need of a mirror.

All you need to do is to own up to your errors when you make them. And please no empty threats. I have not followed you from thread to thread. You have if anything followed me. I posted on the thread on Christians that accept homosexuality long before you did, and I regularly post on evolution threads.

Instead of running away and making your errors worse why not simply admit that you made mistakes. In this thread on theistic evolution you linked creationist sources while I linked the person that came up with the term. This was an obvious error on your part and you should have admitted it.

Lastly you have no right to demand short responses when your own responses tend to be longer for the vast majority of the time.

One suggestion. Try to deal with one point at a time. It makes for shorter posts and makes errors clearer, regardless of which side made them.

 

[ecco]

and yes the flood actually did happen

When did the worldwide Flood occur? Please be as specific as possible.

 

[Skwim]

all Christians believe in some forms of adaption such as wolf to various dogs... horse type to various horses... cat type to various cats... just not goo to you via the zoo and one evolutionary tree

Good grief! Not the old "goo to zoo" thing again. When I told you about it in post 9 did nothing sink in? Or are you just re-posting your old strawman for a laugh? And who cares that "all Christians believe in some forms of adaption"? It's like saying all Christians believe in prayer. It's a huge, "So What?"

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