Theists and the Truth

[Estro Felino]

I think that what brings all theists (or nearly) together is that they believe that the Truth will be unveiled someday.
Most of them believe that when we die, we find out every thing that was hidden from us in life.
For example, I believe that when I die, God will tell me all the things I want to know about the greatest mysteries of our time.
Whether JFK was really assassinated by the order of the US Deep State; whether the Deep Church killed John Paul I; whether the financial élites of Brussels maliciously boycott the prosperity of European peoples.
That's what my Catholic priest told me when I was little: don't worry, Jesus will answer all your questions, because in the Afterlife there is no deception or lying.


I wonder whether atheists are saddened by the fact that certain truths will never be revealed. In life, I mean.
What do you atheists think of the Truth? The historical Truth?
Do you strive for it?

 

[Valjean]

I'm fine with it.

 

[Estro Felino]

I'm fine with it.

Yes, but most things remain hidden from us. In life.

 

[ChristineM]

I think that what brings all theists (or nearly) together is that they believe that the Truth will be unveiled someday.
Most of them believe that when we die, we find out every thing that was hidden from us in life.
For example, I believe that when I die, God will tell me all the things I want to know about the greatest mysteries of our time.
Whether JFK was really assassinated by the order of the US Deep State; whether the Deep Church killed John Paul I; whether the financial élites of Brussels maliciously boycott the prosperity of European peoples.
That's what my Catholic priest told me when I was little: don't worry, Jesus will answer all your questions, because in the Afterlife there is no deception or lying.


I wonder whether atheists are saddened by the fact that certain truths will never be revealed. In life, I mean.
What do you atheists think of the Truth? The historical Truth?
Do you strive for it?

Nope not saddened.

I see the truth as "that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality."

There is another definition "that which is believef to be true"

For me without the first the second is worthless.

 

[RestlessSoul]

And Pilate saith unto him, What is truth?

 

[Valjean]

Yes, but most things remain hidden from us. In life.

That's OK. I have more than I can deal with with just the known things.

 

[Valjean]

The second wa

Nope not saddened.

I see the truth as "that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality."

There is another definition "that which is believef to be true"

For me without the first the second is worthless.

The second was worthless from its inception.

 

[Estro Felino]

And Pilate saith unto him, What is truth?

And I will answer you as Claudia answered Pilate:
Si non vis veritatem audire, nemo tibi dicere potest.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Nope not saddened.

I see the truth as "that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality."

There is another definition "that which is believef to be true"

For me without the first the second is worthless.

So is the bold one true as in accordance with fact or reality? Or is it believed to be true?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

...

The second was worthless from its inception.

Evidence please as per the burden of proof.

 

[Estro Felino]

Nope not saddened.

I see the truth as "that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality."

There is another definition "that which is believef to be true"

For me without the first the second is worthless.

So do you believe there is no objective truth?

 

[ChristineM]

So do you believe there is no objective truth?

How do you get that from "that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality"?

 

[Estro Felino]

How do you get that from "that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality"?

A yes or no suffices.

 

[ChristineM]

A yes or no suffices.

You post doesn't make sense in relation to mine so i would like to hear how you totally mixed it up before i answer.

I can if you want provide the definition of objective

 

[Estro Felino]

I can if you want provide the definition of objective

Example. Someone killed JFK. He didn't commit suicide.

The person A says X killed JFK.
The person B says Y killed JFK.

The objective truth is that one person killed him. It can be A, it can be B, or it can be C.

 

[Nakosis]

I think that what brings all theists (or nearly) together is that they believe that the Truth will be unveiled someday.
Most of them believe that when we die, we find out every thing that was hidden from us in life.
For example, I believe that when I die, God will tell me all the things I want to know about the greatest mysteries of our time.
Whether JFK was really assassinated by the order of the US Deep State; whether the Deep Church killed John Paul I; whether the financial élites of Brussels maliciously boycott the prosperity of European peoples.
That's what my Catholic priest told me when I was little: don't worry, Jesus will answer all your questions, because in the Afterlife there is no deception or lying.


I wonder whether atheists are saddened by the fact that certain truths will never be revealed. In life, I mean.
What do you atheists think of the Truth? The historical Truth?
Do you strive for it?

Yes, when I was a theist, I assume that the "Truth" would at some point be revealed.

Now I no longer believe in a universal truth or if there is, I don't believe mankind will ever know it.

If anything could be called the truth, imo, it is the fleeting, momentary now. Which exists at this exact instance then is gone before we were ever aware of it.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

You post doesn't make sense in relation to mine so i would like to hear how you totally mixed it up before i answer.

I can if you want provide the definition of objective

Please do that.

 

[Estro Felino]

Yes, when I was a theist, I assume that the "Truth" would at some point be revealed.

Now I no longer believe in a universal truth or if there is, I don't believe mankind will ever know it.

If anything could be called the truth, imo, it is the fleeting, momentary now. Which exists at this exact instance then is gone before we were ever aware of it.

Interesting vision.

 

[ChristineM]

Example. Someone killed JFK. He didn't commit suicide.

The person A says X killed JFK.
The person B says Y killed JFK.

The objective truth is that one person killed him. It can be A, it can be B, or it can be C.

Im not interested in hypotheticals, i answered as an atheist, as me. Fact and reality are objective.

 

[Estro Felino]

Im not interested in hypotheticals, i answered as an atheist, as me. Fact and reality are objective.

Facts can be deceiving and reality can be apparent.