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Theists and the Truth

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I can give you an example: Brexiteers believe it is the truth that the EU is run by supranational, bad entities. That's their truth. Remainers believe in the opposite truth. Where is the truth?

That's what they call truth. That's what they believe to be truth. In fact is neither are truth, it's just their belief and nothing more.
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
I think that what brings all theists (or nearly) together is that they believe that the Truth will be unveiled someday.
Most of them believe that when we die, we find out every thing that was hidden from us in life.
For example, I believe that when I die, God will tell me all the things I want to know about the greatest mysteries of our time.
Whether JFK was really assassinated by the order of the US Deep State; whether the Deep Church killed John Paul I; whether the financial élites of Brussels maliciously boycott the prosperity of European peoples.
That's what my Catholic priest told me when I was little: don't worry, Jesus will answer all your questions, because in the Afterlife there is no deception or lying.


I wonder whether atheists are saddened by the fact that certain truths will never be revealed. In life, I mean.
What do you atheists think of the Truth? The historical Truth?
Do you strive for it?
I don't identify as atheist nor theist.

That said, based on my own experience, when "the Truth" is realized, "the historical Truth" is irrelevant.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I don't identify as atheist nor theist.

That said, based on my own experience, when "the Truth" is realized, "the historical Truth" is irrelevant.
I don't understand what you mean by that.
What's the difference between Truth and historical Truth?
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
I don't understand what you mean by that.
What's the difference between Truth and historical Truth?
"Truth," as I see it, is the nature of our reality.

"Historical Truth" is the series of events in that perceived reality that appear to be objectively evident.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
"Truth," as I see it, is the nature of our reality.

"Historical Truth" is the series of events in that perceived reality that appear to be objectively evident.
I understand. But I am not interested in the nature of my reality, but in the events that took place already, and that I believe were covered up with a veil. So I just said that in the Christian Afterlife there is no veil over the events of history. :)
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
I understand. But I am not interested in the nature of my reality, but in the events that took place already, and that I believe were covered up with a veil. So I just said that in the Christian Afterlife there is no veil over the events of history. :)
Fair enough. I was just answering your question from the perspective of a transtheist.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
It is interesting to me, generally speaking, that the theists say they don't know the whole truth now, but will know it eventually, while the atheists think they already know the whole truth because there is no whole truth to be known. One is ignorant, but hopeful, while the other is arrogant, and hopeless.

Just sayin'! :)
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
It is interesting to me, generally speaking, that the theists say they don't know the whole truth now, but will know it eventually, while the atheists think they already know the whole truth because there is no whole truth to be known. One is ignorant, but hopeful, while the other is arrogant, and hopeless.

Just sayin'! :)

And then there's you...;-)

And ive waited a long time for an opportunity to post this snippet of wisdom

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Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
It is interesting to me, generally speaking, that the theists say they don't know the whole truth now, but will know it eventually, while the atheists think they already know the whole truth because there is no whole truth to be known. One is ignorant, but hopeful, while the other is arrogant, and hopeless.

Just sayin'! :)
My thread was not meant to judge atheists and theists and to generalize.
I just wanted to understand how these two categories perceive the meaning of existence, which is made up of truths.
;)
 
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