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Theists and the Truth

stvdv

Veteran Member
That's true abut objective truth not changing with time, but what do you mean by dual senses?
Our senses are dualistic, worldly
Truth, God is beyond mind and senses
To realize Truth, you need to go beyond
Purify the mind until "no mind state"
Then realization can happen
Knowing follows automatically

You believe you can't evolve in a direction that is counterproductive?
I was speaking of evolution, as in evolve. Devolution might be possible, but it's all about awareness anyway.

Your true reality is consciousness, divine spark, God or whatever name we give it. So, the true self, you (consciousness), can't evolve. Just being aware or unaware is what changes, evolves
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Is it? It starts to look as if it really is about nothing at all.

And again, why the capitalization?
What's the difference between "truth" and "Truth"?
And truth about what?



Your OP asked a question and I answered that question.


Why? You are the one who feels the need to capitalize that word. I don't know why.
You're an atheist, right?
This thread is more about the theist\atheist debate.
So stay on topic, mister.
Thank you. :)
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
You're an atheist, right?

Yes.

This thread is more about the theist\atheist debate.

Is it?
How so?

So stay on topic, mister.
Thank you. :)
I did stay on topic. I provided a direct answer to your OP question.
It seems you didn't like my answer, considering you are doing your outmost best to avoid addressing it in any way you can.



Maybe take a few steps back and read my original answer again, which is here:

To elaborate on it:

"truth" is not something that is "revealed".
It is something that is discovered.

So if one believes that it will be "revealed" anyhow in the future, that invites intellectual lazyness... Why bother rolling up your sleaves and trying to find out what the truth is (about anything), when you believe it will be handed / revealed to you anyway in the future?
I don't count on that. So if I wish to know the truth about something, my only option is to work and find out or stay ignorant.
That gives me incentive to do research and discover the world around me instead of sitting on my behind all day, believing it will just be "revealed" to me anyhow.
 
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Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
So if one believes that it will be "revealed" anyhow in the future, that invites intellectual lazyness... Why bother rolling up your sleaves and trying to find out what the truth is (about anything), when you believe it will be handed / revealed to you anyway in the future?
I don't count on that. So if I wish to know the truth about something, my only option is to work and find out or stay ignorant.
That gives me incentive to do research and discover the world around me instead of sitting on my behind all day, believing it will just be "revealed" to me anyhow.
Let's give an example.
A criminal named B killed person A.
But B won't tell me he did it.

I will try to look for evidence that can show he did it.... but evidently B will never confess.

What should I do? Should I torture B until he confesses? :)
 
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Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
What is "Truth" as opposed to "truth"?

I dont think you know.
The thread was addressed to atheists: are you interested in the Truth? :)

It is the historical truth. For example I think that Kennedy was killed by the American Deep State.
But that's my own truth.
The historical Truth will remain unknown.
 
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Audie

Veteran Member
The thread was addressed to atheists: are you interested in the Truth?

It is the historical truth. For example I think that Kennedy was killed by the American Deep State.
But that's my own truth.
The historical Truth will remain unknown.
If you don't know what distinction or
meaning you are trying to express
you could just say so.
 
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