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theists attack atheism because they are insecure
- Thread starter Kapalika
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eh, I guess they didn't get "featured" or something then as I missed them. But ya, it sucks too when it's on the other side.
If I seemed like I was attacking theism that wasn't my goal, but rather to attack the argumentation style that I think has the underlying reason I gave. Just something I noticed over the years that those who argue like that, on some level, in my observation, tend to have some serious doubts of their own.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
How is the lack of belief in any gods a "lie"?
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
Did you read the link?
Uh... sorry, but that is entirely wrong.
The Holy Bottom Burp
Active Member
Yep, let's get it right, a lot of Christian believers (really what we are talking about here?) don't care two hoots about atheists, god is in heaven and they are going there when they die, they don't care about William Lane Craig or Richard Dawkins. Similarly, where I come from, the UK, Christianity died decades ago, there is no "atheist movement", if you ask the average Brit today what do they think of the atheist movement they would probably look at you nonplussed. Being "non religious" is incredibly common, and being atheistic is getting to the point of being "normal" as well.
One of the Christian posters here talks about "internet atheists", I think there is an equally vociferous army of "internet theists". Lets not paint things with too broad a brush...
One of the Christian posters here talks about "internet atheists", I think there is an equally vociferous army of "internet theists". Lets not paint things with too broad a brush...
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Anyone's god is merely a projection of themselves onto the unknown. When someone is talking about their "god," they're really just talking about themselves. Hence, when someone feels their god is threatened, they actually feel personally threatened. People never are so defensive as when they feel personally threatened, and, often, defensiveness expresses as aggression.
Next.
Next.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
When you make assertions, the burden of proof lies upon you: Philosophical burden of proof - Wikipedia
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
Well, that's your opinion. Stack that up against the Apostle Paul and well, you should know who I choose to believe.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Yes, but there is a problem. Things that exist do not clearly prove that God exists. If you believe that they do, show your evidence and we can discuss. But, you tend to use the tired and dishonest claim that the complexity of life / the universe shows God's existence. But, that has been shown time and time again to be incorrect.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Why do you believe Paul's claims?
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
I don't depend upon human philosophy. Humans lie and do not know everything there is to know.
So if you want to convince me of something then the burden of proof lies on you.
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
God said, I AM. God obviously exists according to the linked verse.
With God's word there is no debate. He is always right. Of course you can choose not to believe Him.
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
Paul is an Apostle of Jesus Christ. The holy spirit spoke through Paul.
Why do you not believe him?
leibowde84
Veteran Member
1. He never met Jesus while he was alive. He merely claimed to have a "vision" of Jesus which no one else around him saw and left him shaking on the ground. Seems suspiciously like a hallucination or just something he might have made up.
2. We don't know that the Holy Spirit spoke through Paul. That is a claim made by Paul himself without any supporting evidence.
Swing and a miss.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
But I'm not trying to convince you of anything. You believe what you want. You made the assertion, however, so unless you substantiate it, I can freely dismiss it.
How could anyone doubt Paul? I mean, geesh!
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Therein lies the unmitigated arrogance of some theists. What makes you think that some of us have not delved into these questions far more than you have? What makes you think that we have not arrived at the "truth", as we see it?
Most people around me have little reason to doubt.
These are good questions. Many atheists I know are very well versed in Abrahamic traditions and simply reject the notion. They reject the notion from their own conclusions, not out of ignorance. I respect that.
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
Story of your life, is it not?
You believe a person about something but you can never be sure whether it is absolute truth or not. That's swinging and missing on a constant basis.