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theists attack atheism because they are insecure

DavidFirth

DavidFirth

Well-Known Member
Quetzal said:
I'd like to think I can bat 1.000 but everyone makes mistakes.


Precisely! So... why should I believe you?
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Exactly, now you're thinking. You shouldn't. That's why I told you to do your own research and come up with the truth on your own.

Believe God. He is always right and knows everything. All others are only guessing.
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
To me atheist attacking theism is like being in an illusionary world where they dont believe in a god but they still attack it as if it exists somehow.

lewisnotmiller said:
Attacking God? They're not atheists. Attacking theism, or religion? Then they can be atheists. God doesn't exist (from an atheist point of view), whereas both theism and religion clearly do, and impact on the world quite directly sometimes.
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Huh?

From observation atheists say they dont believe in god. If they dont believe in his existence, why would they debate of his existence?

Unless, as you say I think, atheists arent atheist just anti-religious. I wonder why atheist dont believe in hindu gods. Its always abrahamic.
 
SabahTheLoner

SabahTheLoner

Master of the Art of Couch Potato Cuddles
Mandi said:
Lately I've seen a **** ton of posts attacking atheism, with screwy logic at best, but usually incoherent either way.

Now, I get why atheists attack religion. They see it as a threat, and sometimes they are right. But not always. But at least their reasoning has some basis in fact. Now when theists attack atheists... usually it's accusing them of being liars, or saying that somehow it "doesn't make sense". I dunno, it seems if I had to place a bet, I'd probably side with atheism 4 out of 5 times.

I've seen a lot of the old classic arguments, a lot of them even I didn't dare touch when I was a theist myself. but nowdays it seems as if the fundamentalist christian rhetoric is now too mainstream. People accusing atheists of being atheists so they can sin, that they only are atheists because something bad happened to them or that somehow they are just in denial.

But it seems to me, that if your religion is so apparent (let's ignore that you were probably brought up to believe in it or at least it's the dominant spiritual force where you live) then it wouldn't have all these atheists around. Maybe, just maybe, them being so open about it, the fact that many left religion because they learned more about it, maybe that scares you. Because you realize deep down you've had doubts yourself, and are often just going through the motions. It seems that some types of theists are obsessed with the atheist. Their fixation on how wrong they are, is a reflection of their own projection. Kind of like how the strongest homophobic preachers were often caught with other men.

I dunno, just my two cents. It isn't particularly my fight, I'm not an atheist or theist, but still. You can't really disprove atheism, other than to prove theism. Theism can't be disproved because there is always another possible way for there to be a god, but that doesn't mean it's correct, and at a certain point it's not reasonable to believe anymore when enough versions of it's been disproven (as have many in the past). Where you draw that line is subjective, and there will always be some who are theists and atheists.

And I don't see anything wrong with that. What I do see wrong, is people attacking each other with strawmen.
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Being kinda atheist on some things while theistic on other premises, I have to say that I really do agree with you on this. Especially siding with the atheists 4 out of 5 times. I don't have a problem with any god existing, what I have a problem with is others trying to limit the world view to thier own, especially Abrahamic theists.
 
DavidFirth

DavidFirth

Well-Known Member
leibowde84 said:
You make a lot of proselytizing statements like this, but fail to provide any proof to back them up. Can you support this with any verifiable evidence?
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Romans 1:20 says it is obvious that God created. Why do you need evidence for something that is obvious? Is it because you just do not wish to believe God?
 
DavidFirth

DavidFirth

Well-Known Member
Quetzal said:
That isn't what I said. Focus! We are talking about Romans, right? That was written by one man.
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Oh. So you don't believe the book of Romans because it was written by one man, filled with the Holy Spirit.

What about other books written by one man? Like some of your atheist scientists. Does that mean they are wrong, too?
 
DavidFirth

DavidFirth

Well-Known Member
Quetzal said:
That is exactly why I don't believe it. Paul had a product to sell and he did a remarkable job given the current state of things.
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Really. Then why he did he choose to be executed rather than recant?

If he was after filthy lucre he sure did a terrible job at storing it all up. Can you show that he was a liar from hard fact or strict logic?
 
Quetzal

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
DavidFirth said:
Really. Then why he did he choose to be executed rather than recant?
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He genuinely believed what he said, but he was still pushing a product.

DavidFirth said:
Can you show that he was a liar from hard fact or strict logic?
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There is a concept that many have brought up but you still fail to understand. When you, Paul, or anyone makes an affirmation, it is their job to prove to the audience (people like me) that what they are saying is true. Not the other way around. This is the last time I am going to explain this to you.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
DavidFirth said:
No, theists attack atheism because:

1. It blinds men to the truth and leads them to destruction. We care about you therefore we plead with you not to believe all of this atheistic jargon.

2. It is a cleverly devised lie.

Romans 1:20.
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Thank you for reminding my why more often than no Christians irritate the hell out of me more than anything. You keep going that what I believe is wrong, you want to say it is a lie, you want to say I need to believe as you, but yet more often than not when I tell y'all what your Book actually says ya run with your tail tucked between your legs.
 
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suncowiam

Well-Known Member
To understand the logic of theists, one has to look at their scriptures.

What does it say about the non-believers? If theists are attacking atheists, then I would probably say this is in accordance of their teaching.

From what I can tell, the Bible is much more tame than the Quran. But then there is one passage comparing the "faithless" to murderers and uhm, sorcerers. Oh boy, sorcerers are crazy evil. Man, no wonder.
 
Jumi

Jumi

Well-Known Member
leibowde84 said:
How is the lack of belief in any gods a "lie"?
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I think they mean that the people who don't automatically believe, lie on purpose and do in fact believe in everything that the Bible says even if they never heard it.
 
YmirGF

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
DavidFirth said:
Paul is an Apostle of Jesus Christ. The holy spirit spoke through Paul.

Why do you not believe him?
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Granted, I have my moments, but I'd never claim some holy smoke was talking through me.
Nice to know you like some of my thoughts over the years. :)
 
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