"Humans lie and do not know everything there is to know."
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theists attack atheism because they are insecure
- Thread starter Kapalika
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"Humans lie and do not know everything there is to know."
Does that include what you just called the truth?
When there are contradictions right out of the gate, e.g. in Genesis? The gospels don't even have it together. Why is that?
Does that include you now?
Why should anybody believe what Romans says? You've already explained why people shouldn't be believed.
Ooh! A new Grateful Dead reference: "There comes a redeemer and he slowly too fades away" - R. Hunter
"And the seeds that were silent all burst into bloom, and decay. Night comes so quiet, it's close on the heels of the day."
It seemed an appropriate lyric given the context of being an atheist on RF.
It's pretty ugly.
According to five scriptures I could find on the matter, the Holy Bible informs us that unbelievers corrupt, vile, wicked, abominable, godless vessels of darkness in the service of evil and in fellowship with darkness, not one of whom does any good, to be shunned, and all of whom are fit to be burned alive forever in a lake of fire as enemies of a good god and the moral equivalent of murderers and whoremongers:
[1] "The fool says in his heart,'There is no God.' They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good" - Psalm 14:1
[2] "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone, and all and the enemy of a good god." - Revelation 21:8
[3]"Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?"- 2 Corinthians 6:14
[4] Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ." - 1 John 2:22
[5] "Whoever is not with me is against me" - Luke 11:23
Who could mind that?
Because people believing in his existence impacts the world.
I'm not 'anti-religious', I am an atheist, and I'm here.
You'll never see me start an anti-government thread, but I post against certain religious beliefs. Or anti-atheist beliefs.
Not sure how I fit with your hypothesis?
As for Abrahamaics...it's the devil you know, so to speak. I can't remember posting anything remotely 'anti-jewish', since Judaism has no impact on my life, and more loosely doesn't impact on other atheists worldwide in a meaningful way. Hinduism similar. I suspect if I lived an an overwhelmingly Hindu or Jewish country my posting habit might be different.
Pagans, deists, panentheists, pantheists...I have nothing to debate with them, near as I can tell.
Christians and Muslims are a different story, although to be clear it's only a subset.
Its internal contradictions, failed prophecies, moral and intellectual errors attributed to a god that is logically impossible for having been ascribed mutually exclusive and therefore logically impossible pairs of qualities, unkept promises, bad advice, ambiguity and vagueness, and errors in science and history.
Presumably, you reject every one of those. I'd be happy to provide examples of each if you'd like.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Not talking of you specifically, just in general. God isn't impacting the world but the people who believe in god and abusing the belief systems to foster a me vs. them point of view where christianity, for one, is about service not "who is right."
If they are atheist, it would be more people are impacting the world based on his existence rather than his existence in and of itself unless they believe he exists.
If so, I'd ask the atheist to prove there is a "God" so I'd know how he influences the world without believers influence in the matter. (Same as asking a christian to prove god exist without the bible). Prove god exist without theist. If god is actually doing harm (or giving blessings), show me how the definition of the christian god (since I understand to an extent Hindu god) exists first before addressing the problems they have of him.
Just in general. But I actually forgot my point when I replied to the OP.
That would be nice to debate with hardcore polytheists. Even if a Hindu wanted to debate the existence of Brahma, that would at least give me personally a different perspective on the definition of god. I get bombarded by god here all the time. Someone gave me a blessing ten minutes ago and offered to pray for me.
Can't get away from it. Well, I can RF but...
If they are atheist, it would be more people are impacting the world based on his existence rather than his existence in and of itself unless they believe he exists.
If so, I'd ask the atheist to prove there is a "God" so I'd know how he influences the world without believers influence in the matter. (Same as asking a christian to prove god exist without the bible). Prove god exist without theist. If god is actually doing harm (or giving blessings), show me how the definition of the christian god (since I understand to an extent Hindu god) exists first before addressing the problems they have of him.
Just in general. But I actually forgot my point when I replied to the OP.
That would be nice to debate with hardcore polytheists. Even if a Hindu wanted to debate the existence of Brahma, that would at least give me personally a different perspective on the definition of god. I get bombarded by god here all the time. Someone gave me a blessing ten minutes ago and offered to pray for me.
Can't get away from it. Well, I can RF but...
The *reports* are that a God said 'I AM'. The *claims* are the God is always right.
But at no point are those reports and claims supported by any evidence. I don't *choose* to not believe. I haven't been convinced and the default is to not believe.
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
Okay, I wont.
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
The resurrection is all the evidence one needs.
And if we do our own research, investigate the Bible and other works which claim to be truthful, study those who have commented and consider the history; if we have done all that and find your claims to be ludicrous, then what?
There is a claim of a Holy Spirit, but no evidence of such. So we have a man talking without evidence and from his own opinions. Contrast that to those who speak because of the evidence and because of reason.
I'll take the scientist over an evangelist any day.