Theists: What would a godless universe look like?

[Little Dragon]

You're wasting your time with that guy, like seriously - don't respond to a fool according to their folly

You're not getting any souls here? try harder...

 

[Little Dragon]

Clearly you lack the understanding of the benefits of being on the righteous side of belief.

The righteous do not share your views.

The righteous do not worship Bibles and practice hatred, nor are they deluded with amusing visions of their own grandiosity,

 

[Little Dragon]

The shallow understanding of Christianity is nevertheless a poor substitute for the logic of God.

I understand what Christianity can result in. Luckily, you people have no power over me. Neither does your God. I know that Christianity is dying in my nation and in many nations across the world. Your grip on my people, has after many centuries weakened considerably. It will continue to do so. Eventually, the churches and chapels in my nation will be as empty as the logic of your faith. Perhaps then the old faith might even return, and every British and Irish church and chapel, will be rededicated back to its original and rightful roots. Your alien Jesus cults, vanquished and driven out, finally.

 

[We Never Know]

I have a genuine question for theists and it is not meant to be a trick in any way. There are many things that I would expect to see in a universe containing a benevolent, omnipotent, personal god that I don't see in this universe, which leads me to conclude that such a god is unlikely to exist. I'm curious as to what theists would expect to see in a godless universe, and how a godless universe would differ from one in which a god existed. What would you expect this universe to look like if no gods existed, and how would that be different from the current universe?

The reverse question....

What would you expect this universe to look like if a god existed and how would it be different from the current universe?

 

[Ostronomos]

God is resoundingly scientific. At least the One who is transcendent. Let us bring humanity together by embracing an observer-participatory universe. Following in the footsteps of many a scientist before us.

 

[YoursTrue]

If Christ is raised from the dead as the New Testament reports, then Jesus is the one whom was promised to destroy the works of Satan and Christians are in the New Covenant and not trying to work towards obtaining our own salvation through our own goodness,,,,,,,, we are forgiven and the Lord is in us to change us to be more like Christ, loving Him and our neighbour more fully through the love that He gives us, and this love casts out fear more and more as we grow in it and into it.
But the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

Here's how the apostle put it: " “If, indeed, there is no resurrection of the dead, neither has Christ been raised up. But if Christ has not been raised up, our preaching is certainly in vain, and our faith is in vain. Moreover, we are also found false witnesses of God . . . Your faith is useless; you are yet in your sins. . . . Also, those who fell asleep in death in union with Christ perished.” 1 Corinthians 15:13-18 )

 

[Ostronomos]

I have a dual intellectual identity. Great genius and borderline genius. I have proven the existence of God despite what some atheists pretend not to know.

 

[Little Dragon]

I have a dual intellectual identity. Great genius and borderline genius. I have proven the existence of God despite what some atheists pretend not to know.

I proved the existence of Santa, then I locked him in my basement, where he sits and cries. No xmas presents for you this year what a shame. If anyone sends the cops then I am cooking a Reindeer. **** christmas.

 

[Ostronomos]

I proved the existence of Santa, then I locked him in my basement, where he sits and cries. No xmas presents for you this year what a shame. If anyone sends the cops then I am cooking a Reindeer. **** christmas.

Anyone can prove the existence of Santa. If you are referring to the concept, he may or may not be an image within the mind, but the mind is contained within reality and thus THAT santa is real, but only as thought.

This leads us to conclude that since thoughts can manifest in reality in the higher dimensional universe, santa clause can manifest in reality.

 

[Little Dragon]

Anyone can prove the existence of Santa, he may or may not be an image within the mind, but the mind is contained within reality and thus santa is real, but only as a thought.

Not the good kind of existence though, like the tangible measurable, real, kind.

 

[Little Dragon]

This leads us to conclude that since thoughts can manifest in reality in the higher dimensional universe, santa clause can manifest in reality.

Shame we cant look into the "higher dimensional universe" should that actually exist, to test your hypothesis.

 

[Little Dragon]

This leads us to conclude that since thoughts can manifest in reality in the higher dimensional universe, santa clause can manifest in reality.

I am imagining a big pile of gold bars, do you want one?

 

[Ostronomos]

Every single choice and action we take creates an entire new world in subjective consciousness. Where the event is played out in another quantum realm or dimension. Size and duration have no meaning in reality which can be understood as containing all and only that which is real. Unreality is it's only way to distinguish itself and create consistent or non-contradictory laws. The Quantum component of the brain is activated at the higher levels of enlightenment where the deepest most meaningful interpretation of the meaning of life is understood. An unlimited love and compassion makes one an attraction to all of God's creatures because we share the same reality or language known as SCSPL (which is self-configuring and self-processing, making the laws the governing of the physical reality, allowing them to govern the material universe without "supernatural" or spiritual intervention.

 

[Aupmanyav]

An unlimited love and compassion makes one an attraction to all of God's creatures because we share the same reality ..

God's creatures? For what reason do we bring an imaginary entity in the equation?
'Unlimited love and compassion'! Does that mean that US, Russia, China, UK. France, Pakistan, India, Israel and North Korea destroy their nuclear piles, and disband their armies?
And Musk, Arnault, Bezos, Ellison, Buffett, Gates, Zuckerberg, Page, Ballmer and Brin distribute their wealth to world's poor?
Kindly check with them first.

 

[DNB]

Surely, there cannot be more than one truth. But what evidence do you offer for your truth other than a book compiled in 4th Century?
To ask questions, to ask for evidence, is blindness? Not blindly believing in a 4th Century book is blindness?

Believing that the only evidence that either a Christian or a theist has, is from a book of antiquity, is the epitome of blindness and ignorance.
Plus, to believe that Scripture was compiled in the 4th century, and was not in circulation prior to that, is the epitome of ignorance.

God created the heavens and the earth - there are no other options to explain the miracle of the universe.
God is holy - there is no other way that He could create all things, and instill the awareness of such a concept within the creatures that He chose to do so: namely man.
Man is wicked; God is holy and merciful - Christ is Lord.

 

[Aupmanyav]

God created the heavens and the earth - there are no other options to explain the miracle of the universe.
Man is wicked; God is holy and merciful - Christ is Lord.

I know all about old books. We have one which may be older than 10,000 years.
You have no evidence for what you claim.
By what you are saying, your God created wickedness. He should be the first to be punished.
Jesus made no difference to that. They remain just as wicked as before.

 

[Whateverist]

What would a godless universe look like? It would look exactly the same except we’d see it in terms of categories that are valueless, blind and more mechanistic than organismic. We’d be surprised that the entire universe hadn’t already succumbed to heat death. We’d imagine that everything -ourselves included- was just stuff acted on in predictable ways by blind forces. We might imagine nothing really mattered and that being devoid of free will we couldn’t act on that anyway. We might fear death and wish for an eternal life substitute as an AI subroutine witnessed by nobody. Or maybe something else?

 

[Brian2]

I know all about old books. We have one which may be older than 10,000 years.
You have no evidence for what you claim.
By what you are saying, your God created wickedness. He should be the first to be punished.
Jesus made no difference to that. They remain just as wicked as before.

imo Jesus made a big difference to the wickedness in the world.
The most influential man in the history of the world and he roamed around old Israel doing good and teaching for about 3 years and died a criminal's death.

 

[Aupmanyav]

imo Jesus made a big difference to the wickedness in the world.
.. and died a criminal's death.

You rightly said, in your opinion. Others may have different opinions.
What difference did he make? Are there no wicked in the world now?
And what his followers did in the world for the next 2,000 years? India has some experience of it.
Jesus, if he ever existed, was a criminal to Jews and Romans of his time.
He was not the only one to die that way.

 

[Brian2]

You rightly said, in your opinion. Others may have different opinions.
What difference did he make? Are there no wicked in the world now?
And what his followers did in the world for the next 2,000 years? India has some experience of it.
Jesus, if he ever existed, was a criminal to Jews and Romans of his time.
He was not the only one to die that way.

The most influential man in the history of the world and you say "if he ever existed".