Theists: What would a godless universe look like?

[Polymath257]

The earth's a cesspool, due to the fact that demon's exist.
Man's main concern in life is not about survival, as it is for all other creatures on earth - there are influences upon him that make him deny his rationality and succumb to greed, selfishness, hate, and lust - prevalent throughout the world, in every society, government and institution

And religious fundamentalism promotes the hatred, bigotry, tribalism, and and culture centeredness. Religion is one aspect of the denial of rationality.

I'm not saying that without religion everything would be perfect. Far from it. But the types of superstition that religion promotes makes divisions sharper and thereby promotes the violence we see today in the world.

Marriage is not abuse - no different than arrange marriages, basically

Actually, they are quite different. As prisoners of war, such 'wives' are little more than sex slaves.

of course it does - creation was a supernatural event

Not according to those that study the details.

Main fundamentalist or evangelicals, hold to the tenets that I cited above - that's enough for a consensus - we can't control or speak for the fringe groups, or those that do not subscribe to the same fundaments as the monotheists.

Fundamentalists *are* the fringe groups.

 

[Polymath257]

You're telling me how to read the Bible: what the overarching principles are, what literary conventions are employed, who the authors were, what the history was, the two Covenants, the Patriarchs, Prophets, Kings and Apostles, etc...

I'm the one that needs a skeptical mind in order to see your point of view????
You need some wisdom just to see the author's point of view.

Oh, I see the authors point of view: mainly promoting the power of the priesthood. They reworked the stories and chose the ones that supported their power.

Why do you think they were so opposed to the Ashera poles? The priests didn’t want to admit the power of yahwehs wife.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Of course there may appear to be no demons in the matter you perceive around you, but that is not where demons are apparent. They are apparent in higher dimensions where if your mind were entangled with, you would sense their presence, as well as God's.

Demons are apparent in the imaginations of those willing to think like that.

In 2017, scientists discovered that our universe is a hologram. This lends credence to my information/ matter proposal (further above, in bold). It is only the misinformation (which I consider to be evil) spread by atheists, that is the only evil being committed here.

So you see the atheists as evil because they contradict your "information/ matter proposal" about a universal hologram?

So what if theists lack all the knowledge about a reality beyond their limited senses. At least they're not wrong in believing in one and only one God.

I think they are wrong to believe in gods.

I have actually seen the extra-dimensional universe and am here to simply report my findings despite being met with resistance.

How's that going?

Out of everyone in this thread I am the only one who can lay claim to being the highest authority on the existence of God.

Anybody can claim that.

And there is no such thing as "the highest authority on the existence of God." You're all guessing.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

The earth's a cesspool, due to the fact that demon's exist.
Man's main concern in life is not about survival, as it is for all other creatures on earth - there are influences upon him that make him deny his rationality and succumb to greed, selfishness, hate, and lust - prevalent throughout the world, in every society, government and institution

Then surely your religious beliefs tell you that must be God's will. I mean, demons can't make themselves, right? Nothing but God can do that.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

You feel no guilt of any of the problems in life?

I feel no guilt over things I have played no part in, no. Always fascinated how Christians just love feeling guilty and filthy and covered in sin. Horrible way to live, in my view.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

You seem to have a rather inflated esteem of human beings, and an extremely deficient one of the transcendent God.

I've met an awful lot of human beings. I haven't, actually, liked every one of them, but that's no matter. Never met a transcendent God -- or any other sort, for that matter.

 

[Polymath257]

Out of everyone in this thread I am the only one who can lay claim to being the highest authority on the existence of God. Because I am the only one here who has access to the higher dimensions. The rest of you are living in confusion and illusion. You have my sympathies of course. But unfortunately I cannot be of any assistance at this time.

Sorry, but your delusions are not evidence. Many that have had similar delusions also realize their delusional nature.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

You need some wisdom just to see the author's point of view.

This is a grammatical error, or you are just plain misled or misleading. The Bible does not have one author, it has many, from different schools of thought, in multiple languages, written over nearly 1,300 years. Thus, your sentence should read:

"You need some wisdom just to see the authors' points of view."

Then you need to see that that is an even bigger difference than it looks like, since multiple authors, over centuries, cannot possibly share the same singular point of view.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Access to higher dimensions? You mean you can move through three dimensional objects, by moving above and over them in the 4th dimension?

I can do that too, after a few too many cocktails.

Taking a little wisdom from Sancho Panza, I'd say both you and @Ostronomos are wrong. As Panza says (in "Man of La Mancha"): "Whether the stone hits the pitcher, or the pitcher hits the stone, it's going to be bad for the pitcher."

 

[Ostronomos]

Demons are apparent in the imaginations of those willing to think like that.

So you see the atheists as evil because they contradict your "information/ matter proposal" about a universal hologram?

I think they are wrong to believe in gods.

How's that going?

Anybody can claim that.

And there is no such thing as "the highest authority on the existence of God." You're all guessing.

Incorrect on the last point. It is everyone else on this thread besides myself who is guessing. Not only have I read the best arguments in existence for and against God, I have witnessed the universal consciousness in action. So no, I am not guessing.

 

[Ostronomos]

Sorry, but your delusions are not evidence. Many that have had similar delusions also realize their delusional nature.

No, it is not I who is deluded, hence the term "atheistic delusion".

It is quite typical for an atheist to dismiss scientific evidence of the supernatural as "deluded".

 

[Ostronomos]

Then surely your religious beliefs tell you that must be God's will. I mean, demons can't make themselves, right? Nothing but God can do that.

No, God did not make demons. They, like atheists, have chosen to rebel against God, which God was aware of. Hence why reality is predetermined, like a self-fulfilling algorithm.

 

[Ostronomos]

Why are atheists so dishonest?

We may never know. I have had the privilege of witnessing the universal consciousness or God in action with my own two eyes. This God or universal consciousness is a form of intelligent energy. It can manipulate electromagnetic waves in response to the observer's mind. Thus providing evidence of its existence.

Everyone please beware; the atheist experience of reality is not the ultimate as far as experiences go. There is a higher experience that is superior to the atheist experience; extrasensory perception. I can attest to this.

This allows me an advantage over all atheists. It is only a matter of providing a scientific explanation to the less privileged. Which I have successfully provided whenever I unlock my potential, as many of you are already aware.

 

[Little Dragon]

They, like atheists, have chosen to rebel against God, which God was aware of. Hence why reality is predetermined, like a self-fulfilling algorithm.

So your God creates people he knows will rebel against him...

No wonder people rebel against your God.

I do not rebel against your God thing, because it never had any power over me in the first place.

 

[Little Dragon]

I have had the privilege of witnessing the universal consciousness or God in action with my own two eyes.

No you haven't.

 

[Little Dragon]

No, it is not I who is deluded, hence the term "atheistic delusion".

I think you might be. If you think people are just going to swallow any old bull that people claim, then that expectation is deluded. Certainly.

 

[Polymath257]

No, it is not I who is deluded, hence the term "atheistic delusion".

It is quite typical for an atheist to dismiss scientific evidence of the supernatural as "deluded".

And you say there isn't a theist delusion? What scientific evidence do you have for a supernatural? I'd love to see it.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

No, God did not make demons. They, like atheists, have chosen to rebel against God, which God was aware of. Hence why reality is predetermined, like a self-fulfilling algorithm.

No? Then where did they come from? God, as I am told, created everything. If you think you have knowledge about how demons were created without God's involvement, I think you would be doing the forum a favour by sharing your wisdom with us.

 

[DNB]

Then surely your religious beliefs tell you that must be God's will. I mean, demons can't make themselves, right? Nothing but God can do that.

doesn't mean that we have to obey them

 

[DNB]

I feel no guilt over things I have played no part in, no. Always fascinated how Christians just love feeling guilty and filthy and covered in sin. Horrible way to live, in my view.

it's actually quite emancipating - the truth will set you free