Theory....again

[Thief]

None of that takes away from theories being explanations of hard factual evidence. Theories rely very little on imagination and speculation. Sure there may be more questions but the theory still supports observation. There can be wrong theories but very little of it can change, perhaps fine details on exactly how. The best theories, like evolution and general relativity successfully predict outcomes of future experiments and observation. The theory of gravity from newton wasnt wrong just incomplete.

Theory does not support observation.
Theory explains what you are seeing.
The explanation needs to be proven.

 

[Bunyip]

Theory does not support observation.
Theory explains what you are seeing.
The explanation needs to be proven.

Gosh, it's painful to see a mind so impervious to learning.

No mate - theories are never proven, they do not need to be proven.
How that simple concept is so impossible for you to understand I cannot imagine.

 

[Bunyip]

Theory is only an explanation.

Uh huh and Obama is only the president, truffles are only worth twice their weight in gold.

Yahweh is only believed to be the creator of the universe.

What did you think adding 'only' actually acheives?

 

[Cardboard]

I think you may be the only person I've ever, ever seen in a religious forum, to get corrected on a " theories can become laws, right?" Type of statement, who actually listened and learned from the responses....

My eyes might be tearing up a little right now.

A very warm welcome to the forum, you may very well be the kind of person who learns more here than any others. And I hope you do!

LOL..thank you very much ;D.. well if growing older has taught me anything it is the humility to learn.

 

[Cardboard]

Law is inferior to theory buddy. THEORY is the highest status a body of knowledge can graduate to in science, clearly you did not read that very carefully.

Thanks Bunyip, But i was shown the difference,

 

[Bunyip]

Thanks Bunyip, But i was shown the difference,

Yes, I gave you a frubal for that. Cheers

 

[Cardboard]

Yes, I gave you a frubal for that. Cheers

Gracias

 

[Thief]

Gosh, it's painful to see a mind so impervious to learning.

No mate - theories are never proven, they do not need to be proven.
How that simple concept is so impossible for you to understand I cannot imagine.

Theory is an explanation.
Proving comes later.

 

[Bunyip]

Theory is an explanation.
Proving comes later.

Wow. Just wow! What is it about this statement that you are unable to grasp:

THEORIES are never proven.

This is exactly what drives me away from religion - you strike me as an intelligent and articulate person, but your faith influences your intellect to the point where incredibly simple concepts become insurmountable obstacles to you.

I could have satisfactorily explained what theories are and why they are superior to facts and laws - along with why they are never proven to a four year old and yet you are immune to simple correction. Essentially your faith has crippled your ability to think.

 

[Ouroboros]

Hypothesis and theory explained by Berkeley U: Science at multiple levels

"JUST" A THEORY?
Occasionally, scientific ideas (such as biological evolution) are written off with the putdown "it's just a theory." This slur is misleading and conflates two separate meanings of the word theory: in common usage, the word theory means just a hunch, but in science, a theory is a powerful explanation for a broad set of observations. To be accepted by the scientific community, a theory (in the scientific sense of the word) must be strongly supported by many different lines of evidence. So biological evolution is a theory (it is a well-supported, widely accepted, and powerful explanation for the diversity of life on Earth), but it is not "just" a theory.

Words with both technical and everyday meanings often cause confusion. Even scientists sometimes use the word theory when they really mean hypothesis or even just a hunch. Many technical fields have similar vocabulary problems — for example, both the terms work in physics and ego in psychology have specific meanings in their technical fields that differ from their common uses. However, context and a little background knowledge are usually sufficient to figure out which meaning is intended.

 

[Willamena]

Theory is an explanation.
Proving comes later.

In science, theory is observation.

That's because of the built-in separation between mind and world called "empiricism."

 

[Thief]

Some people have noticed that science wants to hold in regard... theory.

And this is a religious forum.

btw....I don't have a religion.

just faith.

 

[Thief]

In science, theory is observation.

That's because of the built-in separation between mind and world called "empiricism."

What then in a discussion about God?
The experiment won't fit in the petri dish.

 

[Bunyip]

What then in a discussion about God?
The experiment won't fit in the petri dish.

There is one obvious explanation for why God can not be established scientifically - he is imaginary.

 

[Thief]

There is one obvious explanation for why God can not be established scientifically - he is imaginary.

Imagination is the problem solving part of the mind.
You cannot solve a problem without it.

It is where theories come from.

 

[Bunyip]

Imagination is the problem solving part of the mind.
You cannot solve a problem without it.

It is where theories come from.

I can only assume that you are trying to be clever, it just doesn't come across that way. Theories come from observation.

What it is you think you are acheiving by pretending not to understand (or refusing to understand) what 'theory' means, I have no idea. How it appears is as a rather frightening display of the dangers of faith to our ability to think critically.

 

[Thief]

I can only assume that you are trying to be clever, it just doesn't come across that way. Theories come from observation.

What it is you think you are acheiving by pretending not to understand (or refusing to understand) what 'theory' means, I have no idea. How it appears is as a rather frightening display of the dangers of faith to our ability to think critically.

We seem to be saying the same thing.
You just keep adding that I don't understand.

 

[Bunyip]

We seem to be saying the same thing.
You just keep adding that I don't understand.

Mainly because you clearly do not understand, and yet seem unable to figure it out.

Evolution (for example) is a fact. It can be and has been observed.

Theories explain the facts, they explain what has been proven and demonstrated.

Theory is superior to fact, it is how the facts are explained. Theories do not need to be proven, they explain what has been proven.

 

[idav]

We seem to be saying the same thing.
You just keep adding that I don't understand.

You conflate hypothesis and theory as I mentioned. There is a difference in science for a reason. Theory of gravity never goes away yet is testable and falsifiable. Theories have already been well established by experimentation and continue to verify predicted results. If you prefer I would just drop the theory term and just call evolution facts.

 

[Thief]

You conflate hypothesis and theory as I mentioned. There is a difference in science for a reason. Theory of gravity never goes away yet is testable and falsifiable. Theories have already been well established by experimentation and continue to verify predicted results. If you prefer I would just drop the theory term and just call evolution facts.

I've always heard of it as the law of gravity.

I do believe in evolution.....just have no proof to offer.
Neither do you.

I do say...God is behind it.
Don't have proof for that either.