Theory....again

[Thief]

This sounds like a regurgitated Ray Comfort response.

Don't know who Ray is.

Another nice guy?.....I suppose.

 

[Bunyip]

And you don't get it.
You have been posting in agreement.

Theories are explanation.
Not fact.
Once proven....it's no longer a theory.

Wow, you erect a barrier to learning that is impermeable.

No - theories are never proven, they are explanations.

 

[s2a]

Wow, you erect a barrier to learning that is impermeable.

No - theories are never proven, they are explanations.

EXACTLY!

*whew*

One down, a few billion to go...

 

[Thief]

Wow, you erect a barrier to learning that is impermeable.

No - theories are never proven, they are explanations.

We seem to be saying the same thing....repeatedly.
Theories ARE explanations.

nothing more.

 

[idav]

We seem to be saying the same thing....repeatedly.
Theories ARE explanations.

nothing more.

Explanations based on factual evidence. Sherlock Holmes style Watson.

 

[viole]

Don't know who Ray is.

Another nice guy?.....I suppose.

I believe he is the first thinker to have used the argument from bananas for the existence of God, which is basically a teleological one. In many respect I consider it stronger than other arguments, like all variants of the cosmological ones. Atheists should be aware of the argument so that they are not caught unprepared. This fact sets him apart as one of the deepest thinkers in theology's history and one of the most formidable intellectual leaders in the creationists community.

I would google "banana argument for God" for more information about him.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Bunyip]

We seem to be saying the same thing....repeatedly.
Theories ARE explanations.

nothing more.

Nothing more than the highest status a body of knowledge can possibly acheive in science.

In science theory is the ulimate graduation point for a bidy of knowlefge, there is nothing higher.

 

[Cardboard]

Nothing more than the highest status a body of knowledge can possibly acheive in science.

In science theory is the ulimate graduation point for a bidy of knowlefge, there is nothing higher.

Well....then it can become a Law

 

[Ouroboros]

Well....then it can become a Law

No. That's one of the things most scientists agree upon, scientific theory cannot be "upgraded" in any shape or form to a scientific law.

Scientific Laws and Theories

Law and theory are two different concepts of science. Law tends to be a smaller subset of something that can be mathematically formulated, while a theory is a large volume of many different parts and pieces explaining laws, facts, information, data, etc. A theory is like a whole computer while a law is one of the keys on your keyboard. You will always have a "Q" on the top left, but a Macbook Air won't be upgraded to a "Q" key.

 

[s2a]

Nothing more than the highest status a body of knowledge can possibly acheive in science.

In science theory is the ulimate graduation point for a bidy of knowlefge, there is nothing higher.

Not exactly, as posts below (above?) will attest...

...but fair to say that a "scientific theory" is not the same as a colloquial-based "theory" akin to a wild-***** guess from human nether regions.

Yet it still astounds most any logical thinkers that the two concepts are presented/equated as partners in parity and fair equivalencies.

Please aid those you know that simplistic "guessing" (or worse, unsubstantiated claims) is never the same as "proof by means of evidence"...since so many appear not to perceive ANY differences at all.

Otherwise...more and more will continue to assert no better than "poof goes the man into humanity", or an unlit room is the cause of an failed light bulb.

Not everything is explicable in "bumper sticker" terms. You own the responsibility now to inform others...

 

[Ouroboros]

Also, I have to add one thing. Biology rarely ever make anything a "law". Scientific laws are abundant in physics and chemistry, but biology almost always only deal with theories. How genetics works and affect our development when we grow up are explained by theories, not laws, even though we know for a fact that DNA exists and that it affects our physiology. We just don't always know exactly how. That's why they're theories, they explain to our best knowledge and current understanding.

 

[Cardboard]

No. That's one of the things most scientists agree upon, scientific theory cannot be "upgraded" in any shape or form to a scientific law.

Scientific Laws and Theories

Law and theory are two different concepts of science. Law tends to be a smaller subset of something that can be mathematically formulated, while a theory is a large volume of many different parts and pieces explaining laws, facts, information, data, etc. A theory is like a whole computer while a law is one of the keys on your keyboard. You will always have a "Q" on the top left, but a Macbook Air won't be upgraded to a "Q" key.

Thank you Ouroboros,I do stand corrected. that was a great paper. All this time, and i really did not understand the difference or i did long agao and forgot lol. anyway i appriciate it, always love learning something new.

 

[Ouroboros]

Thank you Ouroboros,I do stand corrected. that was a great paper. All this time, and i really did not understand the difference or i did long agao and forgot lol. anyway i appriciate it, always love learning something new.

You're welcome.

I forget things that way too. Things that I used to know just a few years ago, and then I post something wrong and get corrected. LOL!

 

[Thief]

Explanations based on factual evidence. Sherlock Holmes style Watson.

Observation leads to the questions......how?.....why?.....etc?......

Theory is an explanation.

Proving comes later on.

And Sherlock would say....eliminate what proves wrong and whatever is left (though it seems unlikely) is the solution.
But that's still not the same as proving.

Whatever is left must still be shown as the cause for the observed event.

Until then.....all you have is a theory.

 

[idav]

Observation leads to the questions......how?.....why?.....etc?......

Theory is an explanation.

Proving comes later on.

And Sherlock would say....eliminate what proves wrong and whatever is left (though it seems unlikely) is the solution.
But that's still not the same as proving.

Whatever is left must still be shown as the cause for the observed event.

Until then.....all you have is a theory.

None of that takes away from theories being explanations of hard factual evidence. Theories rely very little on imagination and speculation. Sure there may be more questions but the theory still supports observation. There can be wrong theories but very little of it can change, perhaps fine details on exactly how. The best theories, like evolution and general relativity successfully predict outcomes of future experiments and observation. The theory of gravity from newton wasnt wrong just incomplete.

 

[Awkward Fingers]

Thank you Ouroboros,I do stand corrected. that was a great paper. All this time, and i really did not understand the difference or i did long agao and forgot lol. anyway i appriciate it, always love learning something new.

I think you may be the only person I've ever, ever seen in a religious forum, to get corrected on a " theories can become laws, right?" Type of statement, who actually listened and learned from the responses....

My eyes might be tearing up a little right now.

A very warm welcome to the forum, you may very well be the kind of person who learns more here than any others. And I hope you do!

 

[Bunyip]

Well....then it can become a Law

Law is inferior to theory buddy. THEORY is the highest status a body of knowledge can graduate to in science, clearly you did not read that very carefully.

 

[Bunyip]

Observation leads to the questions......how?.....why?.....etc?......

Theory is an explanation.

Proving comes later on.

And Sherlock would say....eliminate what proves wrong and whatever is left (though it seems unlikely) is the solution.
But that's still not the same as proving.

Whatever is left must still be shown as the cause for the observed event.

Until then.....all you have is a theory.

Wow! You manage to completey isolate your brain from any possibility of absorbing information.
Proving does not come later on -Theories are never proven, and cause and effect are not universal.

 

[Thief]

Wow! You manage to completey isolate your brain from any possibility of absorbing information.
Proving does not come later on -Theories are never proven, and cause and effect are not universal.

and you have your twilight zone.

 

[Thief]

Law is inferior to theory buddy. THEORY is the highest status a body of knowledge can graduate to in science, clearly you did not read that very carefully.

Theory is only an explanation.