Theory....again

[idav]

So ALL things are held as theory?......no, can't buy that.

If there is anything you feel you are 100% certain of based on 100% facts and knowledge, then its probably wrong. Thats why answering questions leads to more questions.

 

[Thief]

If there is anything you feel you are 100% certain of based on 100% facts and knowledge, then its probably wrong. Thats why answering questions leads to more questions.

It is certain I will die.

And to things of question...yeah.
For each answer we discover, several more questions arise.
Therefore, we become more ignorant the more we learn.
We shall always have more questions than answers.

 

[idav]

It is certain I will die.

And to things of question...yeah.
For each answer we discover, several more questions arise.
Therefore, we become more ignorant the more we learn.
We shall always have more questions than answers.

I am afraid you miss my point but that is a decent diversion. Theories are based on factual objective evidence regardless of how much harder the questions become.

 

[Thief]

That's simply not true, Thief.

Oh, to be sure, it is true in most cases ... but not in all. There are specific circumstances where causality stops functioning. Below the quantum level, events can occur with no cause--not "no detected cause," but literally NO cause. Inside a singularity, causality is also out the window.

And all the evidence we have indicates that the pre-Big Bang conditions were a singularity.

No cause for the universe is needed.

So God isn't making little particles?
Who is to say that formation of particle isn't an ongoing effort?

You would abandon cause and effect so you can say there is no God?

 

[outhouse]

Not only that, we are not ignorant of death.

WE know exactly what happens when you die..

 

[Thief]

There is another thread for that.

 

[Thief]

I am afraid you miss my point but that is a decent diversion. Theories are based on factual objective evidence regardless of how much harder the questions become.

And theory remains an explanation until the experiment renders a new affirmative...a new fact.

 

[idav]

So God isn't making little particles?
Who is to say that formation of particle isn't an ongoing effort?

You would abandon cause and effect so you can say there is no God?

Really excellent question(s). Idk. I am abit skeptical of virtual particles popping in and out of existence just cause its extremely difficult to find them.

 

[idav]

And theory remains an explanation until the experiment renders a new affirmative...a new fact.

Thats more the hypothesis definition. A hypothesis can be an explanation not yet based on confirmed facts, theories are based on the observed evidence based on reality and experimentation. A solid theory can be missing facts and still be sound because future experimentation and predictions are continually confirmed, kinda like confirming true prophets. Lets us know we are going the right direction hopefully. Hardly anything people find anymore really rocks the boat but there are nobels being granted here and there.

 

[s2a]

There is nothing to debate here.


Only those that refuse to accept the facts surrounding a specific theory.



Would you like to argue the theory of gravity?



Do you understand that there are facts regarding gravity even though we don't fully understand it?

You mean the "fact" of "intelligent falling" remains in question amongst all those heretical skeptics?

Gosh...

 

[Bunyip]

And theory remains an explanation until the experiment renders a new affirmative...a new fact.

No. THEORIES EXPLAIN THE FACTS.

 

[Scimitar]

I guess the facts are always in capitals then, pfft, lol

 

[Bunyip]

I guess the facts are always in capitals then, pfft, lol

Seems just a common misconception - that a theory is less than a fact.

When the reality is that theories explain the facts.

 

[Scimitar]

No. You have it wrong. Theories provide plausible explanations for the facts. More than one theory can exist for said fact. Sometimes the theories can contradict eachother yet still plausibly explain a fact.

Scimi

 

[Ouroboros]

You mean the "fact" of "intelligent falling" remains in question amongst all those heretical skeptics?

Gosh...

We also have intelligent math, like in Number Theory. Number can't just pop into existence on their own, God must've made them. All of them. The whole infinite set of numbers. And we know that the base10 must've been created by God too, and any other base (like base16 or base12) are from the devil!

 

[Bunyip]

No. You have it wrong. Theories provide plausible explanations for the facts. More than one theory can exist for said fact. Sometimes the theories can contradict eachother yet still plausibly explain a fact.

Scimi

How do you figure I got it wrong? I know that there can be several theories to explain the same facts - theories still explain the facts. In the case of the theory of evolution there is no alternative theory.

 

[Thief]

How do you figure I got it wrong? I know that there can be several theories to explain the same facts - theories still explain the facts. In the case of the theory of evolution there is no alternative theory.

So you jump from the most likely explanation....and call it a fact.

Evolution has become an item of explanation so popular...no one is asking for proof.

And though many experiments have been done to support the theory....
the proving might take observation over a time period only God can have.

No problem.
You can ask Him when you get there.

 

[averageJOE]

So you jump from the most likely explanation....and call it a fact.

Evolution has become an item of explanation so popular...no one is asking for proof.

And though many experiments have been done to support the theory....
the proving might take observation over a time period only God can have.

No problem.
You can ask Him when you get there.

This sounds like a regurgitated Ray Comfort response.

 

[Bunyip]

So you jump from the most likely explanation....and call it a fact.

WOW. You still don't get it. The theory exp,ains the facts. EVOLUTION is a fact, the ToE is the explanation of that fact.

Evolution has become an item of explanation so popular...no one is asking for proof.

That would be because it was proven in the century before last. People don't ask for proof that the moon is not made of cheese much anymore either.

And though many experiments have been done to support the theory....
the proving might take observation over a time period only God can have.

No doubt youmbeen told this a thousand times, but repeat yourself anyway - theories are never proven, they are explanations.

No problem.
You can ask Him when you get there.

 

[Thief]

WOW. You still don't get it.


No doubt youmbeen told this a thousand times, but repeat yourself anyway - theories are never proven, they are explanations.

And you don't get it.
You have been posting in agreement.

Theories are explanation.
Not fact.
Once proven....it's no longer a theory.