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@Jabar, my understanding is that the Qu'ran can be interpreted to support Geocentrism (the earth as the centre of the universe/solar system rather than the sun).
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Geocentrism_and_the_Quran
it is however marginal in Modern day Islam..... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geocentric_model#Islam
but did include the grand mufti of Saudi Arabia Abd al-Aziz ibn Baz from 1993 to 1999.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Aziz_ibn_Baz#Cosmology
"I only deemed it lawful to kill whoever claims that the sun is static (thābita la jāriya) and refuses to repent of this after clarification. This is because denying the circulation of the sun constitutes a denial of Allah (Glorified be He), His Great Book, and His Honorable Messenger. It is well established in the Din (religion of Islam) by way of decisive evidence and Ijma` (consensus) of scholars that whoever denies Allah, His Messenger or His Book is a Kafir (disbeliever) and their blood and wealth become violable. It is the duty of the responsible authority to ask them to repent of this; either they repent or be executed. Thanks to Allah that this issue is not debatable among scholars.".
"I did not declare those who believe that the earth rotates to be infidels, nor those who believe that the sun moving around itself, but I do so for those who say that the sun is static and does not move (thābita la jāriya), which is in my last article. Whoever says so being an infidel is obvious from the Quran and the Sunnah, because God almighty says: 'And the sun runs on (tajri) to a term appointed for it' ... As for saying that the Sun is fixed in one position but still moving around itself, ..., I did not deal with this issue in my first article, nor have I declared as infidel anyone who says so.
food for thought. I wouldn't ask you to de-convert from Islam anyway. just keep an open mind.
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Geocentrism_and_the_Quran
it is however marginal in Modern day Islam..... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geocentric_model#Islam
but did include the grand mufti of Saudi Arabia Abd al-Aziz ibn Baz from 1993 to 1999.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Aziz_ibn_Baz#Cosmology
"I only deemed it lawful to kill whoever claims that the sun is static (thābita la jāriya) and refuses to repent of this after clarification. This is because denying the circulation of the sun constitutes a denial of Allah (Glorified be He), His Great Book, and His Honorable Messenger. It is well established in the Din (religion of Islam) by way of decisive evidence and Ijma` (consensus) of scholars that whoever denies Allah, His Messenger or His Book is a Kafir (disbeliever) and their blood and wealth become violable. It is the duty of the responsible authority to ask them to repent of this; either they repent or be executed. Thanks to Allah that this issue is not debatable among scholars.".
"I did not declare those who believe that the earth rotates to be infidels, nor those who believe that the sun moving around itself, but I do so for those who say that the sun is static and does not move (thābita la jāriya), which is in my last article. Whoever says so being an infidel is obvious from the Quran and the Sunnah, because God almighty says: 'And the sun runs on (tajri) to a term appointed for it' ... As for saying that the Sun is fixed in one position but still moving around itself, ..., I did not deal with this issue in my first article, nor have I declared as infidel anyone who says so.
food for thought. I wouldn't ask you to de-convert from Islam anyway. just keep an open mind.
Jabar
“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
It is not an error...
What Augustus said arguably is true...
As you read the next verses it talks about Moses.
Jabar
“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
Can you just get to the point?@Jabar, my understanding is that the Qu'ran can be interpreted to support Geocentrism (the earth as the centre of the universe/solar system rather than the sun).
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Geocentrism_and_the_Quran
it is however marginal in Modern day Islam..... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geocentric_model#Islam
but did include the grand mufti of Saudi Arabia Abd al-Aziz ibn Baz from 1993 to 1999.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Aziz_ibn_Baz#Cosmology
"I only deemed it lawful to kill whoever claims that the sun is static (thābita la jāriya) and refuses to repent of this after clarification. This is because denying the circulation of the sun constitutes a denial of Allah (Glorified be He), His Great Book, and His Honorable Messenger. It is well established in the Din (religion of Islam) by way of decisive evidence and Ijma` (consensus) of scholars that whoever denies Allah, His Messenger or His Book is a Kafir (disbeliever) and their blood and wealth become violable. It is the duty of the responsible authority to ask them to repent of this; either they repent or be executed. Thanks to Allah that this issue is not debatable among scholars.".
"I did not declare those who believe that the earth rotates to be infidels, nor those who believe that the sun moving around itself, but I do so for those who say that the sun is static and does not move (thābita la jāriya), which is in my last article. Whoever says so being an infidel is obvious from the Quran and the Sunnah, because God almighty says: 'And the sun runs on (tajri) to a term appointed for it' ... As for saying that the Sun is fixed in one position but still moving around itself, ..., I did not deal with this issue in my first article, nor have I declared as infidel anyone who says so.
food for thought. I wouldn't ask you to de-convert from Islam anyway. just keep an open mind.
I am not sure what you are trying to say here.
What verses of the Qur'an contradict the things you claim?
Augustus
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To which Mosque does it refer?
(Ahh, context again
In case you are interested in another one of my (probably boring to most people) academic quotations:
A possible Jewish source for this unusual 'night journey' to Jerusalem appears in the Rabbinic translation exegesis in Aramaic of the Bible attributed,though this is questioned, to R. Yonatan Ben Uziel from the Tannaitic period. It is considered that this translation/commentaryfrom the post-Temple period diverges with a powerful midrashic-homilectical inclination from the Hebrew Biblical text.' This characteristicis evident in the case before us. The relevant narrative in question from the Book of Exodus(Ch. 19:4) recalls what God 'did to Egypt' in the course of the Jewish flight to freedom, and how He raised the Children of Israel 'on wings of eagles' (al kanfeinesharimin) bringing them close to Him. The Aramaic translation describes how God placed the Israelites on clouds, as if on the wings of birds, and carried them from Pilusin, to be identified with Ramses in Egypt, and brought them to the site of the Beit Mukdasha (Temple) situated in Jerusalem. Thus, as the Yonatan Ben Uziel exegesis continues to explain, the Israelites were brought to the Temple in order to slaughter the Passover sacrifice animal there, that same night returning to Pilusin in Egypt. So the Israelites who were in the desert were brought to Mount Moriah, where the Temple would later stand, and there offered the sacrificial Passover lamb on the altar; thence, they quickly retumed that same night to Egypt. (Noteworthy is that neither the Qur'anic verse about the 'furthest mosque' nor the Targum Yonatan on the Biblical verse from Exodus mention Jerusalem by name, but that may be due to the fact that the city only acquired its special status by virtue of the holy mount itself.) Note on a Possible Jewish Source for Muhammad's 'Night Journey' - Mordechai Nisan
The good ol' Christiani had a sweet 600 year head start. Most of them got their cacat together in the late 19th century.
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Abdullah Yusuf ‘Ali in his introduction to Sura 17 states: "It [Sura 17] opens with the night journey of the Holy Prophet [Mohammed]: he was transported from the sacred mosque (of Makkah) to the Farthest Mosque (of Jerusalem) in a night and shown some of the Signs of Allah.
Boom . . . the Quran is in error, time to convert Jabar
Boom . . . the Quran is in error, time to convert Jabar
The qu'ran (apparently) says the Sun orbits the earth which is recognised as scientifically false. i.e. it's an error in the Qur'an.
*shrugs* I'm not a Qur'anic Scholar so I i) can't quote the verses, nor ii) tell you the correct interpretation. I have only read maybe the first chapter of the Qu'ran to get a flavour of it so I'm not the person to criticise it. Have a look at the page and see what you think. https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Geocentrism_and_the_Quran#Primary_Evidence
Jabar
“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
[…] He has subjected the sun and the moon! Each one runs for a term appointed. He regulates the matter, explaining the signs in detail, so you can be certain of meeting with your Lord.
13:2
The sun does not move. Qur'an says it 'runs'.
And He it is Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They all float in rounded courses.
21:33
And He hath made subject to you the Sun and the moon, both diligently pursuing their courses; and the night and the day hath he (also) made subject to you.
Qur'an 14:33
There are lots
Jabar
“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
The sun does move.
click the link. the verses are specified there (with interpretation).
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Geocentrism_and_the_Quran#Primary_Evidence
e.g. Quran, 21:33 And He it is Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They all float in rounded courses.
if "they" refers to the sun and the moon, they "float" round the earth.
Um. The Earth orbits the Sun, not the other way around.
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
15:19 And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance.
20:53 He Who has, made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels); and has sent down water from the sky.” With it have We produced diverse pairs of plants each separate from the others.
43:10 (Yea, the same that) has made for you the earth (like a carpet) spread out, and has made for you roads (and channels) therein, in order that ye may find guidance (on the way);
50:7 And the earth- We have spread it out, and set thereon mountains standing firm, and produced therein every kind of beautiful growth (in pairs)
Jabar
“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
When does Qur'an say Sun orbits the Earth.