There are no errors in the Qur'an

[Rival]

When does Qur'an say Sun orbits the Earth.

I JUST GAVE YOU THE VERSES.

 

[EtuMalku]

Time to convert Jabar, you haven't even touched my glaringly obvious ERRORS found in the 'divine' Quran, much less able to explain some of these equally glaring errors.

 

[Rival]

*Rival storms off in a huff to go take a shower, muttering about trolls*​

 

[Subhankar Zac]

Why exactly is this thread for?
You are not going to admit the faults of the Quran and continue giving justifications for murder, death and violence the Quran begs.
If someone brings those verses forth, they are either not true Muslims or it's in the wrong context.
Or even has a wrong Quran.
You surely can't be that bored to start a trolling thread to keep you occupied.
It's an endless discussion of reasoning and denial of anything wrong though there are many.

 

[Jabar]

click the link. the verses are specified there (with interpretation).

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Geocentrism_and_the_Quran#Primary_Evidence

e.g. Quran, 21:33 And He it is Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They all float in rounded courses.

if "they" refers to the sun and the moon, they "float" round the earth.

It is saying they travel in its own motion. The arabic word used here is Yasbahoon derived from the arabic word sabaha which describes the motion of a moving body.

If i use this word on a human, it will not mean he is rolling but it will mean walking or running.

If i use this for a person who is in water, it will not mean floating but swimming.

Similarily, when Allah used this word as a celestial body it does not mean it is flying in the air.

It means it is moving along with its own rotation. Rotating about its own axis. It is saying besides revolving it is also rotating about its own axis.

Modern science says the sun rotates on its own axis. It takes 24 days to complete one rotation.

Not only did you make a misconception but also it contains a scientific evidence that proves its divinity.

 

[Jabar]

I JUST GAVE YOU THE VERSES.

Those verses prove nothing, you are making misconceptions.

 

[Jabar]

If you want to get technical the Sun orbits the Milky Way,but it certainly doesn't float around Earth.

Never does the Qur'an say the Sun floats around the Earth...

Stop making false accusations.

 

[Jabar]

Why exactly is this thread for?
You are not going to admit the faults of the Quran and continue giving justifications for murder, death and violence the Quran begs.
If someone brings those verses forth, they are either not true Muslims or it's in the wrong context.
Or even has a wrong Quran.
You surely can't be that bored to start a trolling thread to keep you occupied.
It's an endless discussion of reasoning and denial of anything wrong though there are many.

It never gives justification for murder, the context is different.

What you are saying is that, the defense is that it is in the another context...

BECAUSE IT IS!
Stop acting ignorant and pick pointing things from the Qur'an without understanding of it.

 

[EtuMalku]

Jabar, just NO . . . you are doing what all the Apologists do, twisting scripture into the definition necessary to justify something objectively inaccurate. If only religious zealots as yourself would admit, that their scriptures are nothing more than metaphorical essays outlining that religion's tenets, then I for one would have nothing to refute as I believe we are all entitled to our subjective universes. But the moment when a Faith declares itself objectively true . . . it's time to get the shovel.

 

[Jabar]

Jabar, just NO . . . you are doing what all the Apologists do, twisting scripture into the definition necessary to justify something objectively inaccurate. If only religious zealots as yourself would admit, that their scriptures are nothing more than metaphorical essays outlining that religion's tenets, then I for one would have nothing to refute as I believe we are all entitled to our subjective universes. But the moment when a Faith declares itself objectively true . . . it's time to get the shovel.

How am i twisting scripture, that is exactly what you are doing to try and give an error in the Qur'an.

Well of course you will not believe that it is divine because you continuously misunderstand the Qur'an and make misconceptions.

Tell me exactly what i twisted.

 

[Jabar]

Watch this if you think Qur'an supports Geocentrism:

 

[EtuMalku]

How am i twisting scripture, that is exactly what you are doing to try and give an error in the Qur'an.

Well of course you will not believe that it is divine because you continuously misunderstand the Qur'an and make misconceptions.

Tell me exactly what i twisted.

You have YET to address my glaring ERRORS . . . until then consider our conversation null and void

 

[Jabar]

You have YET to address my glaring ERRORS . . . until then consider our conversation null and void

What errors? I had like 3 people talking to me

 

[Augustus]

Abdullah Yusuf ‘Ali in his introduction to Sura 17 states: "It [Sura 17] opens with the night journey of the Holy Prophet [Mohammed]: he was transported from the sacred mosque (of Makkah) to the Farthest Mosque (of Jerusalem) in a night and shown some of the Signs of Allah.

Boom . . . the Quran is in error, time to convert Jabar

The Quran really doesn't say this though. The night journey is from hadith and probably a later back projection onto the Quran.

You are quoting exegesis, which is not the Quran [also anything in brackets isn't in the Quran btw], and seeing as 'mosque' doesn't mean what you think it does it is not the smoking gun you think it is.

See post #67 as for why the verse possibly/probably isn't even referring to Muhammed.

Sorry, but this argument is just wrong, even from a non-Muslim perspective.

 

[Rival]

Oh my God, Zakir Naik Now I know this thread has gone down the toilet.

 

[Jabar]

The Quran really doesn't say this though. The night journey is from hadith and probably a later back projection onto the Quran.

You are quoting exegesis, which is not the Quran [also anything in brackets isn't in the Quran btw], and seeing as 'mosque' doesn't mean what you think it does it is not the smoking gun you think it is.

See post #67 as for why the verse possibly/probably isn't even referring to Muhammed.

Sorry, but this argument is just wrong, even from a non-Muslim perspective.

I would agree, mosque is not what he is defining it as, it is just a place of prostrating.
Besides, it is not referring to Muhammad most likely.

 

[Jabar]

Oh my God, Zakir Naik Now I know this thread has gone down the toilet.

It does not matter, why don't you just check that video out.

What he said was truth, you claim these verses to be talking about false things. You tamper the Qur'an in a wrong perspective and say it is unscientific.

Pftt Try again.

 

[Rival]

“(Allah is) the one Who created the night, the day, the sun and the moon. Each one is travelling in an orbit with its own motion” (Sura 21: 33).

So, even if the Sun is not said to be orbiting the Earth, what is it orbiting? The Moon? Venus? A testicle? What? The Qur'an presupposes a geocentric, flat earth universe with a dome-sky. It was a common conception of those times in those cultures.

It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law)(Sura 36: 40).

By the Sun and his (glorious) splendour; By the Moon as she follows him…(Sura 91: 1-2)

This says the Sun follows the Moon, which orbits the Earth.

 

[EtuMalku]

The Quran really doesn't say this though. The night journey is from hadith and probably a later back projection onto the Quran.

You are quoting exegesis, which is not the Quran [also anything in brackets isn't in the Quran btw], and seeing as 'mosque' doesn't mean what you think it does it is not the smoking gun you think it is.

See post #67 as for why the verse possibly/probably isn't even referring to Muhammed.

Sorry, but this argument is just wrong, even from a non-Muslim perspective.

So essentially you are saying what plenty of other Apologists say . . . that a religion's authority (in this case Abdullah Yusuf ‘Ali) don't understand their own religion either?
Come on . . . this is as absurd as it gets, granted Arabic is one slippery language and can be twisted into meaning several things (to that I give credit, I like that), the ERRORS I posted are clear to most, including myself including Muslim religious scholars . . . admit this scripture is simply metaphor for outlining Islamic beliefs and I have no argument.

 

[Rival]

Jabr, just to let you know, you are actually infuriating. No-one is going to debate with you, because you are pretentious and cannot admit when you are wrong.