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There are no eyewitness accounts of Jesus in the New Testament

Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

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GoodAttention said:
en.wikipedia.org

Jesus in the Talmud - Wikipedia

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@GoodAttention , thanks for taking the time to provide the link but, to be honest, the information is not particularly new to me and the question was rhetorical. Still, I hope you took the time to actually read the Wikipedia entry, which begins ...

There are several passages in the Talmud which are believed by some scholars to be references to Jesus. [emphasis added - JS]​

and later notes:

Amy-Jill Levine notes that even today some rabbinical experts do not consider that the Talmud's account of Jesus' death is a reference to the Jesus of the New Testament.[44] Gustaf Dalman (1922),[45] Joachim Jeremias (1960),[46] Mark Allen Powell (1998)[47] and Roger T. Beckwith (2005)[48] were also favourable to the view the Yeshu references in the Talmud were not to Jesus.​

and, perhaps more to the point:

Bart Ehrman, and separately Mark Allan Powell, state that the Talmud references are quite late (hundreds of years) and give no historically reliable information about the teachings or actions of Jesus during his life.​

Back-handed references to the Talmud in a thread titled "There are no eyewitness accounts of Jesus in the New Testament" is unserious at best.
 
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GoodAttention

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Jayhawker Soule said:
@GoodAttention , thanks for taking the time to provide the link but, to be honest, the information is not particularly new to me and the question was rhetorical.
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I've never come across a rhetorical question with 3 question marks but hey, never say never say never.

Jayhawker Soule said:
Still, I hope you took the time to actually read the Wikipedia entry, which begins ...

There are several passages in the Talmud which are believed by some scholars to be references to Jesus. [emphasis added - JS]​

and later notes:

Amy-Jill Levine notes that even today some rabbinical experts do not consider that the Talmud's account of Jesus' death is a reference to the Jesus of the New Testament.[44] Gustaf Dalman (1922),[45] Joachim Jeremias (1960),[46] Mark Allen Powell (1998)[47] and Roger T. Beckwith (2005)[48] were also favourable to the view the Yeshu references in the Talmud were not to Jesus.​

and, perhaps more to the point:

Bart Ehrman, and separately Mark Allan Powell, state that the Talmud references are quite late (hundreds of years) and give no historically reliable information about the teachings or actions of Jesus during his life.​
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All acknowledged. Hence my use of "at some point" in comment #7

Jayhawker Soule said:
Back-handed references to the Talmud in a thread titled "There are no eyewitness accounts of Jesus in the New Testament" is unserious at best.
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I won't beg to differ on what you thunk is best.
 
bobhikes

bobhikes

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Trailblazer said:
The New Testament was written by people who were not eye witnesses to Jesus.

There are no eyewitness accounts of Jesus in the New Testament. The four gospels were written and circulated anonymously and the traditional authorship was secondarily assigned towards the end of the second century CE. There is not a single first person claim to being an eye witness to Jesus' life.

Given what I said above, which is explained in the video below, what logical reason would anyone have to believe that the Gospels are an accurate depiction of the life of Jesus? Why should we believe that what these anonymous authors wrote about Jesus is true?

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There are no eye witnesses to the creation of the earth

There are no eye witnesses to the dinosaurs.

There are no eye witnesses to the Neanderthals.

Yet all of them have been referred to in books and referenced by many types of people and professions.

Not sure what your point is. Are we not supposed to believe in anything that does not have an eye witness?
 
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