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There are no mistakes in Quran

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
@Taylor Seraphim The correct approach is basically what firedragon stated. It is the correct approach because if you take it then it will show that there is no error. You just judge the book by a verse which was misconcepted on by yourself. The way we know it is indeed the correct approach is the fact that all the muslims that have read the Quran and have studied it with no misconceptions converted muslims leading to Islam being the fastest growing religion soon to outstrip christianity. Not only that but the proof that it is a divine book shows that there is only one correct approach due to the fact that a divine scripture means from God and God is omniscient. So, he knows all about everything including what you are skeptical about.
Circular reason much?

Aside from this, I couldn't help but note that you failed to mention that the heart of the unbeliever is hardened towards the Qur'an and that Allah has covered our eyes with a veil.... Jus' sayin'

For what it is worth, I'm all in favor of FireDragon reinterpreting verses and words... though it does make one pause to wonder why it took Muslims nearly 1500 years to refine their thinking. Evidently many of the passages are not as clear as the book tells us they are.

Chapter Name:Fatir Verse No:39

He it is Who made you successors in the earth. So whoever disbelieves, his disbelief is against himself. And their disbelief increases the disbelievers with their Lord in naught but hatred; and their disbelief increases the disbelievers in naught but loss.
This cute little verse is part of the reason why so many Muslims feel cheated in the modern world. You folks should be leading the world and yet, on the whole, you are so miserably far behind. The intellectual contributions of the Muslim world over the last 500 years would barely cover a matchbook.
 

Taylor Seraphim

Angel of Reason
Circular reason much?

Aside from this, I couldn't help but note that you failed to mention that the heart of the unbeliever is hardened towards the Qur'an and that Allah has covered our eyes with a veil.... Jus' sayin'

For what it is worth, I'm all in favor of FireDragon reinterpreting verses and words... though it does make one pause to wonder why it took Muslims nearly 1500 years to refine their thinking. Evidently many of the passages are not as clear as the book tells us they are.

This cute little verse is part of the reason why so many Muslims feel cheated in the modern world. You folks should be leading the world and yet, on the whole, you are so miserably far behind. The intellectual contributions of the Muslim world over the last 500 years would barely cover a matchbook.

In addition to this, I want someone to prove to me that a god is real.

So I would not have a hardened heart against Allah.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
You quoted Sajoo mate. He is not a resident scholar, he is a visiting scholar at SFU. I am Christian. I dont give a rats arse about this. But you dont know what you speak about. You want scholars to support FD? Contact Ghani. Thats SFU, your old school as you claim.

I only said he say no issues with 4:34 as it was translated as it is accept as accurate by credible universities. I took courses under Sajoo not Ghani. Besides you would reject Ghani on the same grounds as you reject Sajoo. Is Taj Hashmi good enough since he also writes about the issues caused by 4:34.

Contact these people mate. Ask them about this Quranic verse that you guys are talking about. 4:34. This is such a wide subject, but you are such an absurd claim maker. Why would you care about mainstream? Why would you tell FD that he was okay with Laraba but was touchy with Daraba? You did that in the same post because you didn't know what the hell he was talking about all this time. Not a clue. Do you even know the Arabic word? Cmon mate, don't be a hypocrite. I wish I can quote names but I have been told not to since you went and complained to Firedragon.

So I should keep contacting them until I find one that agrees with FD and ignore those that do not agree.... It is a wide subject as it makes Islam look poorly.
I only care about modern translations which not only deny the long history behind the meaning of this verse but also those that still cling to the same dogma after having dismissed their own history.
I pointed out HD had issues with Laraba then later contradicts himself when stating both are the same...
Quote names. Being told not to is an excuse. I never went to FD, he responded to me. He seemed confused over the claims of a doctorate.

Contact any of them. I dont care. If you like Ill send you my name which you can quote. Even to Dr. Sajoo. Any time, Any day mate.

Ghani - Phd. Visiting scholar at SFU

Already writes about the issues due to her interest in politics. She does not change the meaning of the verse.

Laleh Bakhtiar - Phd and Koran translator

All she did was the same thing as FD, ignore current translations and find one definition from Lane's Lexicon that makes it look different. Do note that Lane's Lexicon gives an example of such a change in 43:5 not 4:34. Al-Azhar University rejects her translation.

Edip Yuksel - Arabic Scholar & Koran translator

Quran only Muslim, a minority that rejects translation. Also he put forward code 19 myth. His translations is covered in an ideological screed.

Nada Ibrahim - Griffith

Same argument as Bakhtair almost word for word. Ignores tradition in favour of a modern view. Makes the same mistake as Bakhtiar claiming Muhammand never hit his wives which is clear in hadith he did at least once

Mohamad Abdalla - Aus

Same argument again, granted he was a co-author with Ibrahim. Ignores tradition when it suites him.

Do note you are citing fringe work especially that of Edip Yuksel. If Edip Yuksel is qualified, he taught Arabic, than Hassan is as well, he taught Arabic....
 

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
@YmirGF You say that it does not. Can you people read and comprehend what i say. Here is scientific proofs even though Quran is not a science book nor is it a history book:
INTRODUCTION

Ever since the dawn of human life on this planet, Man has always sought to understand Nature, his own place in the scheme of Creation and the purpose of Life itself. In this quest for Truth, spanning many centuries and diverse civilizations, organized religion has shaped human life and determined to a large extent, the course of history. While some religions have been based on books, claimed by their adherents to be divinely inspired, others have relied solely on human experience.

Al-Qur’aan, the main source of the Islamic faith, is a book believed by Muslims, to be of completely Divine origin. Muslims also believe that itcontains guidance for all mankind. Since the message of the Qur’aan is believed to be for all times, it should be relevant to every age. Does theQur’aan pass this test? In this booklet, I intend to give an objective analysis of the Muslim belief regarding the Divine origin of the Qur’aan, in the light of established scientific discoveries.

There was a time, in the history of world civilization, when ‘miracles’, or what was perceived to be a miracle, took precedence over human reason and logic. But how do we define the term ‘miracle’? A miracle is anything that takes place out of the normal course of life and for which humankind has no explanation. However, we must be careful before we accept something as a miracle. An article in ‘The Times of India’ Mumbai, in 1993 reported that ‘a saint’ by the name ‘Baba Pilot’ claimed to have stayed continuously submerged under water in a tank for three consecutive days and nights. However, when reporters wanted to examine the base of the tank of water where he claimed to have performed this ‘miraculous’ feat, he refused to let them do so. He argued by asking as to how one could examine the womb of a mother that gives birth to a child. The ‘Baba’ was hiding something. It was a gimmick simply to gain publicity. Surely, no modern man with even the slightest inkling towards rational thinking would accept such a ‘miracle’. If such false miracles are the tests of divinity, then we would have to accept Mr. P. C. Sorcar, the world famous magician known for his ingenious magical tricks and illusions, as the best God-man.

A book, claiming Divine origin, is in effect, claiming to be a miracle. Such a claim should be easily verifiable in any age, according to the standards of that age. Muslims believe, that the Qur’aan is the last and final revelation of God, the miracle of miracles revealed as a mercy to mankind. Let us therefore investigate the veracity of this belief.

I would like to thank Brother Musaddique Thange for his editorial assistance. May Allah (swt) reward him for his efforts, Aameen

THE CHALLENGE OF THE QUR’AAN

Literature and poetry have been instruments of human expression and creativity, in all cultures. The world also witnessed an age when literature and poetry occupied pride of position, similar to that now enjoyed by science and technology.

Muslims as well as non-Muslims agree that Al-Qur’aan is Arabic literature par excellence - that it is the best Arabic literature on the face of the earth. The Qur’aan, challenges mankind in the following verses:

"And if ye are in doubt As to what We have revealed From time to time to Our Servant, then produce a Soorah Like thereunto; And call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, If your (doubts) are true. But if ye cannot –And of a surety you cannot. Then fear the Fire Whose fuel is Men and Stones – Which is prepared for those Who reject Faith." [Al-Qur’aan 2:23-24] [Al-Qur’an 2:23-24 indicates Soorah or Chapter No. 2 and Ayaat or Verses 23 and 24]

The same notation is followed throughout the book. References and translation of the Qur’aan are from the translation of the Qur’aan by Abdullah Yusuf Ali, new revised edition, 1989, published by Amana Corporation, Maryland, USA.

The challenge of the Qur’aan, is to produce a single Soorah (chapter) like the Soorahs it contains. The same challenge is repeated in the Qur’aan several times. The challenge to produce a Soorah, which, in beauty, eloquence, depth and meaning is at least somewhat similar to a Qur’aanic Soorah remains unmet to this day. A modern rational man, however, would never accept a religious scripture, which says, in the best possible poetic language, that the world is flat. This is because we live in an age, where human reason, logic and science are given primacy. Not many would accept the Qur’aan’s extraordinarily beautiful language, as proof of its Divine origin. Any scripture claiming to be a divine revelation must also be acceptable on the strength of its own reason and logic.

According to the famous physicist and Nobel Prize winner, Albert Einstein, "Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."Let us therefore study the Qur’aan, and analyze whether The Qur’aan and Modern Science are compatible or incompatible?
 

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
@YmirGF
I. ASTRONOMY

CREATION OF THE UNIVERSE: ‘THE BIG BANG’

The creation of the universe is explained by astrophysicists in a widely accepted phenomenon, popularly known as the ‘Big Bang’. It is supported by observational and experimental data gathered by astronomers and astrophysicists for decades. According to the ‘Big Bang’, the whole universe was initially one big mass (Primary Nebula). Then there was a ‘Big Bang’ (Secondary Separation) which resulted in the formation of Galaxies. These then divided to form stars, planets, the sun, the moon, etc. The origin of the universe was unique and the probability of it occurring by ‘chance’ is zero. The Qur’aan contains the following verse, regarding the origin of the universe: "Do not the Unbelievers see That the heavens and the earth Were joined together (as one Unit of Creation), before We clove themasunder?" [Al-Qur’aan 21:30]

The striking congruence between the Qur’aanic verse and the ‘Big Bang’ is inescapable! How could a book, which first appeared in the deserts of Arabia 1400 years ago, contain this profound scientific truth?

THERE WAS AN INITIAL GASEOUS MASS BEFORE THE CREATION OF GALAXIES

Scientists say that before the galaxies in the universe were formed, celestial matter was initially in the form of gaseous matter. In short, huge gaseous matter or clouds were present before the formation of the galaxies. To describe initial celestial matter, the word ‘smoke’ is more appropriate than gas. The following Qur’aanic verse refers to this state of the universe by the word dhukhan which means smoke.

"Moreover, He Comprehended In His design the sky, And it had been (as) smoke: He said to it And to the earth: ‘Come ye together, Willingly or unwillingly.’ They said: ‘We do come (Together), in willing obedience.’" [Al-Qur’aan 41:11]

Again, this fact is a corollary to the ‘Big Bang’ and was not known to the Arabs during the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). What then, could have been the source of this knowledge?

THE SPHERICAL SHAPE OF THE EARTH

In early times, people believed that the earth is flat. For centuries, men were afraid to venture out too far, lest they should fall off the edge. Sir Francis Drake was the first person who proved that the earth is spherical when he sailed around it in 1597. Consider the following Qur’aanic verse regarding the alternation of day and night: "Seest thou not that Allah merges Nightinto Day And He merges Day into Night?" [Al-Qur’aan 31:29]

Merging here means that the night slowly and gradually changes to day and vice versa. This phenomenon can only take place if the earth is spherical. If the earth was flat, there would have been a sudden change from night to day and from day to night.

The following verse also alludes to the spherical shape of the earth: "He created the heavens And the earth In true (proportions): He makes the Night Overlap the Day, and the Day Overlap the Night." [Al-Qur’aan 39:5]

The Arabic word used here is Kawwara meaning ‘to overlap’ or ‘to coil’– the way a turban is wound around the head. The overlapping or coiling of the day and night can only take place if the earth is spherical.

The earth is not exactly round like a ball, but geo-spherical i.e. it is flattened at the poles. The following verse contains a description of the earth’s shape:

"And the earth, moreover, Hath He made egg shaped." [Al-Qur’aan 79:30] [The Arabic word dahaha has been translated by A. Yusuf Ali as "vast expanse", which also is correct. The word dahaha also means an ostrich-egg.]

The Arabic word for egg here is dahaha, which means an ostrich-egg. The shape of an ostrich-egg resembles the geo-spherical shape of the earth. Thus the Qur’aan correctly describes the shape of the earth, though the prevalent notion when the Qur’aan was revealed was that the earth is flat.
 

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
@YmirGF

THE LIGHT OF THE MOON IS REFLECTED LIGHT

It was believed by earlier civilizations that the moon emanates its own light. Science now tells us that the light of the moon is reflected light. However this fact was mentioned in the Qur’aan 1,400 years ago in the following verse:

"Blessed is He Who made Constellations in the skies, And placed therein a Lamp And a Moon giving light." [Al-Qur’aan 25:61]

The Arabic word for the sun in the Qur’aan, is shams. It is referred to as siraaj, which means a ‘torch’ or as wahhaaj which means ‘a blazing lamp’ or as diya which means ‘shining glory’. All three descriptions are appropriate to the sun, since it generates intense heat and light by its internal combustion. The Arabic word for the moon is qamar and it is described in the Qur’aan as muneer, which is a body that gives nur i.e. light. Again, the Qur’aanic description matches perfectly with the true nature of the moon, which does not give off light itself and is an inert body that reflects the light of the sun. Not once in the Qur’aan, is the moon mentioned as siraaj, wahhaaj or diya or the sun as nur or muneer. This implies that the Qur’aan recognizes the difference between the nature of sunlight and moonlight.

Consider the following verses related to the nature of light from the sun and the moon: "It is He who made the sun To be a shining glory And themoon to be a light (Of beauty)." [Al-Qur’aan 10:5]

"See ye not How Allah has created The seven heavens One above another, "And made the moon A light in their midst, and made the sun As a (Glorious) Lamp?" [Al-Qur’aan 71:15-16]

THE SUN ROTATES

For a long time European philosophers and scientists believed that the earth stood still in the center of the universe and every other body including the sun moved around it. In the West, this geocentric concept of the universe was prevalent right from the time of Ptolemy in the second century B.C. In 1512, Nicholas Copernicus put forward his Heliocentric Theory of Planetary Motion, which asserted that the sun is motionless at the centre of the solar system with the planets revolving around it.

In 1609, the German scientist Yohannus Keppler published the ‘Astronomia Nova’. In this he concluded that not only do the planets move in elliptical orbits around the sun, they also rotate upon their axes at irregular speeds. With this knowledge it became possible for European scientists to explain correctly many of the mechanisms of the solar system including the sequence of night and day.

After these discoveries, it was thought that the Sun was stationary and did not rotate about its axis like the Earth. I remember having studied this fallacy from Geography books during my school days. Consider the following Qur’aanic verse: "It is He Who created The Night and the Day, And the sun and the moon: All (the celestial bodies) Swim along, each in its Rounded course." [Al-Qur’aan 21:33]

The Arabic word used in the above verse is yasbahûn . The word yasbahûn is derived from the word sabaha. It carries with it the idea of motion that comes from any moving body. If you use the word for a man on the ground, it would not mean that he is rolling but would mean he is walking or running. If you use the word for a man in water it would not mean that he is floating but would mean that he is swimming.

Similarly, if you use the word yasbah for a celestial body such as the sun it would not mean that it is only flying through space but would mean that it is also rotating as it goes through space. Most of the school textbooks have incorporated the fact that the sun rotates about its axis. The rotation of the sun about its own axis can be proved with the help of an equipment that projects the image of the sun on the table top so that one can examine the image of the sun without being blinded. It is noticed that the sun has spots which complete a circular motion once every 25 days i.e. the sun takes approximately 25 days to rotate around its axis.

In fact, the sun travels through space at roughly 150 miles per second, and takes about 200 million years to complete one revolution around the center of our Milky Way Galaxy.

"It is not permitted To the Sun to catch up The Moon, nor can The Night outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along In (its own) orbit (According to Law)." [Al-Qur’aan 36:40]

This verse mentions an essential fact discovered by modern astronomy, i.e. the existence of the individual orbits of the Sun and the Moon, and their journey through space with their own motion. The ‘fixed place’ towards, which the sun travels, carrying with it the solar system, has been located exactly by modern astronomy. It has been given a name, the Solar Apex. The solar system is indeed moving in space towards a point situated in the constellation of Hercules (alpha Layer) whose exact location is firmly established.

The moon rotates around its axis in the same duration that it takes to revolve around the earth. It takes approximately 29½ days to complete one rotation. One cannot help but be amazed at the scientific accuracy of the Qur’aanic verses. Should we not ponder over the question: "What was the source of knowledge contained in the Qur’aan?"

THE SUN WILL EXTINGUISH AFTER A CERTAIN PERIOD

The light of the sun is due to a chemical process on its surface that has been taking place continuously for the past five billion years. It will come to an end at some point of time in the future when the sun will be totally extinguished leading to extinction of all life on earth. Regarding the impermanence of the sun’s existence the Qur’aan says: "And the Sun Runs its course For a period determined For it; that is The decree of (Him) The exalted in Might, The All-Knowing." [Al-Qur’aan 36:38] [A similar message is conveyed in the Qur’an in 13:2, 35:13, 39:5 and 39:21]

The Arabic word used here is mustaqarr, which means a place or time that is determined. Thus the Qur’aan says that the sun runs towards a determined place, and will do so only up to a pre-determined period of time – meaning that it will end or extinguish.

THE PRESENCE OF INTERSTELLAR MATTER

Space outside organized astronomical systems was earlier assumed to be a vacuum . Astrophysicists later discovered the presence of bridges of matter in this interstellar space. These bridges of matter are called plasma, and consist of completely ionized gas containing equal number of free electrons and positive ions. Plasma is sometimes called the fourth state of matter (besides the three known states viz. solid, liquid and gas). The Qur’aan mentions the presence of this interstellar material in the following verse: "He Who createdthe heavens And the earth and all That is between." [Al-Qur’aan 25:59]

It would be ridiculous, for anybody to even suggest that the presence of interstellar galactic material was known 1400 years ago.

THE EXPANDING UNIVERSE

In 1925, an American astronomer by the name of Edwin Hubble, provided observational evidence that all galaxies are receding from one another, which implies that the universe is expanding. The expansion of the universe is now an established scientific fact. This is what Al-Qur’aan says regarding the nature of the universe: "With the power and skill Did We construct TheFirmament: For it is We Who create The vastness of Space." [Al-Qur’aan 51:47]

The Arabic word mûsi‘ûn is correctly translated as ‘expanding it’, and it refers to the creation of the expanding vastness of the universe. StephenHawking, in his book, ‘A Brief History of Time’, says, "The discovery that the universe is expanding was one of the great intellectual revolutions of the 20th century."

The Qur’aan mentioned the expansion of the universe, before man even learnt to build a telescope! Some may say that the presence of astronomical facts in the Qur’aan is not surprising since the Arabs were advanced in the field of astronomy. They are correct in acknowledging the advancement of the Arabs in the field of astronomy. However they fail to realize that the Qur’aan was revealed centuries before the Arabs excelled in astronomy. Moreover many of the scientific facts mentioned above regarding astronomy, such as the origin of the universe with a Big Bang, were not known to the Arabs even at the peak of their scientific advancement. The scientific facts mentioned in the Qur’aan are therefore not due to the Arabs’ advancement in astronomy. Indeed, the reverse is true. The Arabs advanced in astronomy, because astronomy occupies a place in the Qur’aan.
 

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
@YmirGF
II. PHYSICS

THE EXISTENCE OF SUBATOMIC PARTICLES

In ancient times a well-known theory by the name of ‘Theory of Atomism’ was widely accepted. This theory was originally proposed by the Greeks, in particular by a man called Democritus, who lived about 23 centuries ago. Democritus and the people that came after him, assumed that the smallest unit of matter was the atom. The Arabs used to believe the same. The Arabic word dharrah most commonly meant an atom. In recent times modern science has discovered that it is possible to split even an atom. That the atom can be split further is a development of the 20th century. Fourteen centuries ago this concept would have appeared unusual even to an Arab. For him the dharrah was the limit beyond which one could not go. The following Qur’aanic verse however, refuses to acknowledge this limit: "The Unbelievers say, ‘Never tous will come The Hour’: say, ‘Nay! But most surely, By my Lord, it will come Upon you – by Him Who knows the unseen – From Whom is not hidden The least little atom In the Heavens or on earth: Nor is there anything less Than that, or greater, but Is in the Record Perspicuous.’" [Al-Qur’aan 34:3] [A similar message is conveyed in the Qur’an in 10:61]

This verse refers to the Omniscience of God, His knowledge of all things, hidden or apparent. It then goes further and says that God is aware ofeverything, including what is smaller or bigger than the atom. Thus the verse clearly shows that it is possible for something smaller than the atom to exist, a fact discovered only recently by modern science.
 

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
@YmirGF And you say it has no scientific proof, there is much much more i can show you. You are arrogant. Now tell me anything that matches this. Nothing!
 

gnostic

The Lost One
Quran mention all facts, nothing of myth.
No historians or archaeologists today have presented any evidences to the biblical characters that I have already mentioned and many more that I haven't mentioned (like Isaac, Jacob, Joshua and his brothers, Ruth, etc), that these people exist.

They left no evidences of their presences. Abraham, Jacob and his family and Moses and all the Israelites, said to have lived in Egypt, but there are no archaeological evidences or written records, independent of the scriptures (including the Qur'an) show any signs that they lived there.

Everything from Genesis creation to Solomon's death (1 Kings), and everything that have been retold in Muhammad's Qur'an, there are no evidences. Everything in both scriptures contained more myths than facts.

What you have in the Qur'an, are not evidences, and the testimony by imaginary Allah is not reliable. You cannot even present any evidence that support the existence of your deity.

Using the Qur'an as your evidence, only showed your desperation and circular reasoning.

The Qur'an is a joke. It is not historical accurate in any way, not even when it concerning events about Muhammad himself. What we do have, is that Muhammad is a liar, not just about the Qur'an, but also his claims of being a prophet, and meeting archangel Gabriel. You cannot present any evidence, because there are none.

Facts, are evidences that support the events or people involved, INDEPENDENT OF WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN. You have presented nothing more than your faith, your belief, your opinion.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
@YmirGF And you say it has no scientific proof, there is much much more i can show you. You are arrogant. Now tell me anything that matches this. Nothing!

If you know or understand science AT ALL, you would know that science required EVIDENCES, NOT PROOF, to verify any theory to be true.

PROOF is for mathematics, like equations, formulae, mathematical or logic models (mathematical representations of reality). Mathematical PROOFs are not reality itself, they are just numbers and symbols, which are just representations.

EVIDENCE is what is OBSERVABLE, TESTABLE, VERIFIABLE. Evidences are what scientists used to objectively determine if any statement or prediction to be true.

The only way scientists know with certainty that their theories are true, is through EVIDENCES, not PROOF. For scientists and mathematicians (as well as engineers), EVIDENCE and PROOF are not synonymous for one another. For everyone else (like lawyers and judges), they can't and don't understand distinction between the two.

This is why I don't like religious WHO don't have or have limited education or experiences in science, because they can't distinguish between EVIDENCE and PROOF, between SCIENTIFIC THEORY and every-day use of theory.

The real arrogant is arguing something and claiming they are right, when they actually don't understand what they are saying.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
And you say it has no scientific proof, there is much much more i can show you. You are arrogant. Now tell me anything that matches this. Nothing!
It is vaunted claims bordering on abject drivel, such as your last round of posts, directed at me, that are clear evidence as to why the Muslim world lags so far behind the rest of the planet in scientific and intellectual accomplishments. For the record, I've always loved the hilarious notions about the expanding universe... as if Muslims had thought it up.
[sarcasm]I guess that is why the leading astronomers and astrophysicists in the last 500 years have all been pious Muslims... [/sarcasm]
 

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
@gnostic Proof is not for Mathematics only. The Qur´an still contains the Mathematical proof you speak of. Besides, why do you not accept this proof? You are only enforced to your own beliefs but are not open to listen to the information i provide. Clearly not because of the fact that you are still in doubt about the Quran scientifically. You say i do not understand what am i saying when i am claiming something to be true. But how so? I provided evidence that clearly shows the Truth.
@YmirGF How do you claim that my claims are silly nonsense. You are just stating that you believe that but give no evidence whatsoever. How does the Muslim word lag so far behind in scientific accomplishments. That is absurd for you to say. At that time period people never even though of it, there were no evidence or anything of that sort. Back in the 1920s this was firstly discovered. The Quran was revealed 1400 years ago, there is no way that a human could know that information. You are just arrogant and refuse to believe the Truth. Whatever you believe in, it does not match up to the Quran or Islam in any way.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
The Qur'an is not a science book.

Muslims used to make discoveries and advances in science, maths and technology, BUT NOT SO, in the last 500-600 years.

Muslims have gone backward, especially now, because they have become lazy, attempting to take credits for modern science, using the Qur'an.

The Qur'an offer no values in scientific knowledge and technology, because it is a scripture, and scripture is an idiot book, full of myths and superstitions.

Why do i think Muslims are backward and superstitious, because they still believe in jinns and talking animals.

Your posts from 811 to 814, are evidences of laziness.
 
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