There are no mistakes in Quran

[Jabar]

@gnostic You still have not pointed out an error in the Quran. Stop making it as though Qur'an is a science book. You are very brainswashed. The Qur'an is a book of SIGNS not science. It is a book of ayaats. Which more than 1000 have science involved in them. You are not considering the time period of when this all took place. Besides, you are not proving anything. You are just insulting prophet Muhammad peace be upon him when i believe that he is not ignorant like you in terms of religion. Just because you say that there are no mathematical equations in the Qur'an does not prove anything. But if you are looking for interesting facts that relate to math check this out:

The numerical miracle in the Qur’an involves numerous numbers, of which 7 is the primary one. But why 7? It seems that this number shares a strong relationship with the way our universe was created and structured. The Earth has seven layers: the crust, lithosphere, upper mantle, astenoshpere, lower mantle, outer core and inner core. The atmosphere has 7 layers: the Troposphere, Stratosphere, Ozonosphere, Mesosphere, Thermosphere, Ionosphere and the Exosphere. Atoms, the basic building blocks of matter, have a seven-layered structure. The universe has 7 skies, and the one we see decorated with stars at night is only one of those 7.

God Almighty perhaps wanted to include this fascinating number not only in his creations, but in his Holy book. Now, I will attempt to explain some miracles of the number 7 in the Qur’an:

• The number of verses in the Qur’an that referred to the seven skies is actually 7!

• The word “the Hereafter” is mentioned 70 times in the Quran, a multiple of 7!

• Hell-Fire has seven doors to it, and the number of times the word “Hell-Fire” (‘Jahannam’ in Arabic) is repeated in the Qur’an is 77, a multiple of 7!

• The first time God Almighty (Allah) mentions the number 7 in the Qur’an was in Chapter 2, Verse 29 when he says: “It is He Who hath created for you all things that are on earth; then He turned to heaven and made them into seven firmaments; and of all things He hath perfect knowledge. (29)”. The last time Allah mentions the number 7 is in Chapter 78, Verse 12 when he states: “And (have We not) built over you the seven firmaments, (12)”. Now observe this:

o The number of chapters between the first chapter that mentions this number and the last chapter that mentions it is 77, a multiple of 7!

o Not only that, but amazingly, the number of verses between the first verse that mentions 7 and the last verse that mentions 7 is 5649, also a multiple of 7.

o And even more amazingly, the number of verses that come from the beginning of Chapter 2 until the verse where 7 is first mentioned is the exact same number of verses as from the verse where 7 is last mentioned until the end of Chapter 78: 28 verses, which is also a multiple of 7!

o Furthermore, from the very beginning of Chapter 2, the chapter which first mentions number 7, to the very end of Chapter 78, the chapter which last mentions it, there are exactly 5705 verses, a multiple of 7! Check it yourself!

o The number of verses that come before the first verse where 7 is mentioned is 35, which is a multiple of 7, and the number of verses that come before the verse where 7 is last mentioned is 5684, a multiple of 7!

This is only a small ounce of the many examples of the wonders of number 7 in the Qur’an, let alone other prime numbers such as 13 and 19 and others. But the question remains to all those who question the Qur’an’s authenticity: could have all this happened by coincidence? Can this infallible accuracy have been sheer luck, or is there a precise system of mathematics that no one could have ever dreamed of concocting, proving through the language of numbers that this book is completely and utterly the word of God? Btw do not jump to conclusions, i am merely showing you a interesting thing.

 

[gnostic]

You still have not pointed out an error in the Quran. Stop making it as though Qur'an is a science book.

Another straw man attack, placing a blame on someone else, when actually it was you who started claiming that there are science in the Qur'an, when you were exchanging views with YmirGF.

I started at this thread (post 751, a short reply to paarsurrey, follow by a longer reply to you in post 754) with the Qur'an have fables and myths and that the Qur'an is not a collection of historical records.

Post 751:

The Qur'an not only contain mistakes...it contained a lot of myths and fables...

...there are plenty of contradictions too.

I only started on about science later, in post 792:

That's circular reasoning.

That's the reason why some Muslims today, are so backward, because they follow the Qur'an blindly. It is not a science book. It isn't even a history book.

But this is only about "science in general".

You brought up several long replies to YmirGF, starting at 811, about astronomy and the Big Bang.

I didn't write anything about the Big Bang until posts 980 & 981.

It is clear from other posts to other people, that you don't really understand the Big Bang cosmology, so I disagreed with you and began list several points why you are wrong about the Big Bang and about YOUR INTERPRETATIONs of the verses you had quoted and cited from the Qur'an.

If anyone is brainwashed it is you, so stop your whining.

 

[Jabar]

@gnostic Saying there is science in the Qur'an does not mean it is a science book. You once again are claiming me of saying that the Qur'an is a science book. When i said stop using the Qur'an as though it is a science book is when you talked about mathematics. Math and science go hand in hand, would you not agree? So, i was implying that you did say science because of the fact that science and math go hand in hand. Besides either way it is not a mathematics book, there you happy. What is even more funny is the fact that you point out what i have stated farther in the past. This shows your arrogance. Now i have explained to someone else that the Qur'an never said Earth was made before BB. You just assume that i have stated it did. But there are no periods of when it actually happens so stop making false accusations. Also, i once again tell you that it is just a theory, who knows if it is true. So, the Qur'an still does not have errors and your belief through evidence still proves wrong.

 

[Jabar]

I stated stop making it as though it is a science book, comprehend that. I did not say exactly a science book, now math and science go hand in hand. When i said that statement i was implying mathematics. Just because you just made false claim that i made one i just said mathematics in my previous comment. I am also not objecting that it is not a mathematics book either because it is not. I never implied or stated that.

 

[gnostic]

The Qur'an is a book of SIGNS not science. It is a book of ayaats. Which more than 1000 have science involved in them.

These scientific signs are not scientific at all, Jabar, because these passages are open to interpretation, and you have been taking them out of context.

You have even admitted that you might have some misconception of what you have claimed about the passages and science, but you did another backflip.

You keep moving the goalpost. I have been consistent with my claims.

You were the one who brought up the verse about separating heavens from Earth as the Big Bang...

You never pointed a error @Shad The verse that show there is Big Bang theory is right here:
"Do not the Unbelievers see That the heavens and the earth Were joined together (as one Unit of Creation), before We clove them asunder?" [Al-Qur’aan 21:30]
So do not jump into conclusions, Shad.
The striking congruence between the Qur’anic verse and the ‘Big Bang’ is inescapable! How could a book, which first appeared in the deserts of Arabia 1400 years ago, contain this profound scientific truth? Haha, you have failed.

Scientists say that before the galaxies in the universe were formed, celestial matter was initially in the form of gaseous matter. In short, huge gaseous matter or clouds were present before the formation of the galaxies. To describe initial celestial matter, the word ‘smoke’ is more appropriate than gas. The following Qur’aanic verse refers to this state of the universe by the word dhukhan which means smoke.

"Moreover, He Comprehended In His design the sky, And it had been (as) smoke: He said to it And to the earth: ‘Come ye together, Willingly or unwillingly.’ They said: ‘We do come (Together), in willing obedience.’" [Al-Qur’aan 41:11]

But I stated that this has nothing to do with the Big Bang, but God dividing the sky/atmosphere from the earth surface, and how 21:30 is not even a original idea, and proceeded give half dozen quotes of the same verses in Genesis 1:6-8 saying the same things.
Here, I will a few of them again to you:

King James Version:

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

New Revised Standard Version:

6 And God said, “Let there be a dome in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” 7 So God made the dome and separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome. And it was so. 8 God called the dome Sky. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day.

New Jewish Publication Society:

6God said, “Let there be an expanse in the midst of the water, that it may separate water from water.” 7God made the expanse, and it separated the water which was below the expanse from the water which was above the expanse. And it was so. 8God called the expanse Sky. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.

You didn't bother to compare Qur'an 21:30 and Genesis 1:6-8, did you?

Sahih International:

Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?

If you didn't, then I am not surprise, because modern Muslims are not known for their scholarship outside of the Qur'an.

I have even included an even older myth, from ancient Sumer (late 3rd millennium BCE), a Sumerian poem called Bilgames and the Netherworld (page 179, George Andrews, 1999, The Epic of Gilgamesh, Penguin Classics).

In those days, in those far-off days,
in those nights, in those distant nights,
in those years, in those far-off years,
in olden times, after what was needed had become manifest,
in olden times, after what was needed had been taken care of,
after bread had been swallowed in the sanctuaries of the land,
after the ovens of land had been fired up with bellows,
after heaven had been parted from earth,
after the earth had been separated from heaven,
after the name of mankind had been established -
then, after the god An had taken heavens for himself,
after the god Enlil had taken the earth for himself,
and after he had presented the Netherworld to the goddess Ereshkigal as a dowry-gift...

Like I said back in 981, heavens doesn't mean "universe", the original context for heavens in 21:30 is "sky". And if you bother to read my reply back in 981, you would see the comparisons between the Genesis and Qur'an passages are saying the same things, and not make the same silly claims in post

 

[gnostic]

The numerical miracle in the Qur’an involves numerous numbers, of which 7 is the primary one. But why 7? It seems that this number shares a strong relationship with the way our universe was created and structured. The Earth has seven layers: the crust, lithosphere, upper mantle, astenoshpere, lower mantle, outer core and inner core. The atmosphere has 7 layers: the Troposphere, Stratosphere, Ozonosphere, Mesosphere, Thermosphere, Ionosphere and the Exosphere. Atoms, the basic building blocks of matter, have a seven-layered structure. The universe has 7 skies, and the one we see decorated with stars at night is only one of those 7.

God Almighty perhaps wanted to include this fascinating number not only in his creations, but in his Holy book. Now, I will attempt to explain some miracles of the number 7 in the Qur’an:

• The number of verses in the Qur’an that referred to the seven skies is actually 7!

• The word “the Hereafter” is mentioned 70 times in the Quran, a multiple of 7!

• Hell-Fire has seven doors to it, and the number of times the word “Hell-Fire” (‘Jahannam’ in Arabic) is repeated in the Qur’an is 77, a multiple of 7!

• The first time God Almighty (Allah) mentions the number 7 in the Qur’an was in Chapter 2, Verse 29 when he says: “It is He Who hath created for you all things that are on earth; then He turned to heaven and made them into seven firmaments; and of all things He hath perfect knowledge. (29)”. The last time Allah mentions the number 7 is in Chapter 78, Verse 12 when he states: “And (have We not) built over you the seven firmaments, (12)”. Now observe this:

o The number of chapters between the first chapter that mentions this number and the last chapter that mentions it is 77, a multiple of 7!

o Not only that, but amazingly, the number of verses between the first verse that mentions 7 and the last verse that mentions 7 is 5649, also a multiple of 7.

o And even more amazingly, the number of verses that come from the beginning of Chapter 2 until the verse where 7 is first mentioned is the exact same number of verses as from the verse where 7 is last mentioned until the end of Chapter 78: 28 verses, which is also a multiple of 7!

o Furthermore, from the very beginning of Chapter 2, the chapter which first mentions number 7, to the very end of Chapter 78, the chapter which last mentions it, there are exactly 5705 verses, a multiple of 7! Check it yourself!

o The number of verses that come before the first verse where 7 is mentioned is 35, which is a multiple of 7, and the number of verses that come before the verse where 7 is last mentioned is 5684, a multiple of 7!

This is only a small ounce of the many examples of the wonders of number 7 in the Qur’an, let alone other prime numbers such as 13 and 19 and others. But the question remains to all those who question the Qur’an’s authenticity: could have all this happened by coincidence? Can this infallible accuracy have been sheer luck, or is there a precise system of mathematics that no one could have ever dreamed of concocting, proving through the language of numbers that this book is completely and utterly the word of God? Btw do not jump to conclusions, i am merely showing you a interesting thing.

Good grief, not another one.

This is more of superstitions from Muslims, and has nothing to do with maths.

It is not maths, you are just playing games with certain numbers, and deriving meaning with your so-called "special number" or "magic number". This is nothing more than numerology.

Look up numerology, Jabar.

Numerology is akin to astrology/horoscope, tarot cards, palm reading, tea-leaves reading, crystal ball, fortune-telling, etc. You say that you are not superstitious, and yet you're playing number games. No one take numerology seriously except for

(A) superstitious fools who believe in this sort of nonsense,
and (B) charlatans and con-artists, who like take advantages of gullible people.​

You are not the first Muslim who brought up numerology at these forums, but that Muslim had given up trying to convince anyone of the magic number, because he had only ended up making a fool of himself.

 

[Jabar]

@gnostic Did you just see what i posted at the end. Good grief, not another one. I said do not take the wrong idea out of this, just merely a interesting thing i am showing you. These are not just number games brother. You are making yourself a fool.

 

[gnostic]

It is a game, a fool game that I don't even know you are bringing it up in the first place.

Actually I do know why.

I have brought up that there are "no maths" in the Qur'an and typically like other Muslims before you, you desperately responded and brought up magic number or numerology as to refute to my point.

If you know what you brought up is "not maths", then why even mention this in your post?

Why bring up this superstitious nonsense?

 

[Jabar]

@gnostic No, that is what you assume, brother. I just put that and i even stated it was a interesting fact. Yes, in a way when you imply that there are not math in the Qur'an i do give these references however the main point was just a fact that was interesting. Do not call it nonsense. However, even if the Qur'an does not have math you speak of, what does this prove? You are just stating things that are not really all that relevant. Qur'an is not a science book, history, math, but it is the Furqan, the criteria to judge right from wrong.

 

[Jabar]

@gnostic Watch this, this is just a small bit of how math is applied.

There is no way this could not be divine. The Qur'an was revealed thousands of years ago. The chances of only this happening are basically impossible. Not only that but if you take into consideration of all the scientific evidence, math, and everything else. It is obvious that this was no work of a human and that it truly proves something.

 

[Jabar]

@gnostic But what is the possibility that this could be coincidence, along with the complexity of the Qur'an and other miracles you could say, Not just that, explaining sooooo many things in elegant literature especially when in a time period where there were no technology or anything that could be comparable to today's society?
P.S: The things i have listed here do not even equate to barely anything the Qur'an speaks of.
Do not let this present life deceive you, once again.

 

[gnostic]

Do not call it nonsense.

I find all numerology to be nonsense, no matter if come from Muslims, Christians or from numerologists.

Just because you make some claims that numbers may have certain meanings, does not make them "maths".

@gnostic Watch this, this is just a small bit of how math is applied.

There is no way this could not be divine. The Qur'an was revealed thousands of years ago. The chances of only this happening are basically impossible. Not only that but if you take into consideration of all the scientific evidence, math, and everything else. It is obvious that this was no work of a human and that it truly proves something.

Good grief.

You really don't know what numerology is, do you?

Like I have said at the start, you should read up what numerology is.

Numerology is neither maths, nor science, and that absurd YouTube is less than convincing. The video only convince me that the people who belief in scientific miracles in the Qur'an are delusional.

But than you for the video. You have just convince me that I shall avoid Islam as I do Scientology...or the Black Plague.

Here is a link to wiki on numerology; it is just a place to start.

The only people really believe in numerology are superstitious people.

Why are you trying so hard to convince me to believe in your superstition?

 

[Jabar]

@gnostic So you are saying this is mere coincidence? We believe the Bible contains only partial of God's words, so it does include only a little of these ''superstitions''.

 

[gnostic]

@gnostic So you are saying this is mere coincidence? We believe the Bible contains only partial of God's words, so it does include only a little of these ''superstitions''.

I thought I made myself clear, all numerology -

(A) are based on superstitions (for those who believe in these nonsenses)
OR (B) based on deception (con artists and charlatans taking advantages of people's naivety).​

If you want to believe in this bull with magic numbers then that your prerogative.

Why are you trying so hard to make me believe as you do?

Don't I have the rights as you do, in not believing in so obvious con from that absurd video you had posted up?

You are entitled to your superstitions, because clearly I cannot change your mind on anything, and I can't obvious educate you to see the real world, since you are obviously blinded by the supernatural delusions.

I have ask you to read numerology, to educate yourself that numerology is nothing more than superstitions, not science or maths, but it is obvious that you don't want to learn the truth about the numerology scam.

Ignorance is bliss, if you don't want to give up superstitious beliefs. Well done, Jabar, you have blind faith in numerology.

Well, I don't have to believe in your 6-day creationism, in your miracles, in your magic numbers, or your talking ants, jinns and angels, or in your false scriptures, and your obvious false god and false prophet, because none of these are real, and you have evidences to support it.

They are your superstitions, not mine. You believe in numerology, but I don't.

How about we agree to disagree with one another? Because I am finding this debate with you has become tedious, and I have better thing to do than nurse an fanatic.

 

[Jabar]

@gnostic You are once again stating your beliefs. Give me evidence that suggests this is just the superstitions you speak of. This is only your belief. I am giving evidence, there is no way that this could be mere coincidence. Come on, stop being ignorant.

 

[gnostic]

@gnostic You are once again stating your beliefs. Give me evidence that suggests this is just the superstitions you speak of. This is only your belief. I am giving evidence, there is no way that this could be mere coincidence. Come on, stop being ignorant.

The ignorance is yours, Jabar.

I have asked you repeatedly to look up the Internet on what is numerology, but it is obviously didn't read them.

I have watched your absurd video that you posted up, but you didn't bother to go to the like I gave you, but you didn't go did you?

If you want to read wiki article on numerology, than look it up in the Encyclopaedia Britannica from the nearest library. You would see it is classified in the same group as divination (like palmistry and fortune telling) and astrology.

If you don't have the curtesy of reading what numerology is, after I wasted over 10 minutes of my life on a stupid YouTube, then you have no right to make demand from me.

Until you read article on numerology from Britannica or Wikipedia, then please don't bother me with requests.

And btw, YouTube video is not valid evidence, because any idiot with a camera post any rubbish online.

 

[YmirGF]

@gnostic Watch this, this is just a small bit of how math is applied.

There is no way this could not be divine. The Qur'an was revealed thousands of years ago. The chances of only this happening are basically impossible. Not only that but if you take into consideration of all the scientific evidence, math, and everything else. It is obvious that this was no work of a human and that it truly proves something.

Oh good grief. As I said earlier, when Muslims begin to stop hallucinating over the meaning in their book and apply their brain-power to the applied sciences they might just get somewhere. For such brilliant thinkers where have you been for over 500 years? (You've been sitting on your laurels hallucinating about a time when Muslims were making real contributions to the knowledge of mankind. That time has been over... for a very long time.)

 

[Jabar]

@YmirGF The Qur'an was revealed 1400 years ago, i doubt mere Muslims would have done this especially when there was no technology and things of that sort.

 

[Jabar]

@gnostic @YmirGF Take into consideration that i regarded this as interesting information however you are always skeptical to everything i say even though it was not directed to be the way you think. This is not relevant because in turn it will not prove anything.

 

[Jabar]

@YmirGF I also realized then when i proved you wrong, you did not answer me until now. Haha, you want some more?