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There Can be no "Intelligent Design"
- Thread starter Kirby D. P.
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SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Is that why my back hurts all the time?Do you not see the wonder of how perfectly balanced the human body is? It's a big chemical battery, served by a multitude of subsystems which complement the whole.
I don't believe in coincidence.
McBell
Unbound
What I learned in anatomy class shows otherwise.
I am not a fan of the count the hits, ignore the misses.
nor do I.It's a big chemical battery, served by a multitude of subsystems which complement the whole.
I don't believe in coincidence.
McBell
Unbound
that crap will work for her grandmother, but not for me.
First Baseman
Retired athlete
Never mind that what I said is 100% correct.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Kind of, yeah. But evolution has little, if anything, to do with abiogenesis.
If science doesn't know how life began, what is the point of concentrating on how it adapted over time?
If science finally came to terms with the astronomical improbability of life arising by chance and was forced to come face to face with an Intelligent Designer/Creator, would they still make excuses for their decades of conjecture, supposition and guesswork which would all suddenly fall in a heap?
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
That's like asking if we don't know the origin of physical forces, what is the point of concentrating on gravity? There is a lot of point to it: understanding how life develops over time, the mechanisms that allow for populations to change, and a greater understanding of the biological world and how it functions. How is that not a good point?
What does this have to do with anything, and on what basis do you assert the probability of life arising "by chance"?If science finally came to terms with the astronomical improbability of life arising by chance and was forced to come face to face with an Intelligent Designer/Creator, would they still make excuses for their decades of conjecture, supposition and guesswork which would all suddenly fall in a heap?
First Baseman
Retired athlete
Well, evolution is 100% dependent on abiogenesis if there is no creator. This cannot be denied.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
It absolutely can be denied because it is absolutely false. Evolution could (and most likely would) still be true regardless of how life initially formed. Whether it be by a divine creator or some form of directed panspermia, the process of evolution that follows would still be exactly the same.
First Baseman
Retired athlete
You've got 2 choices and only 2. Either the first life form was created or abiogenesis. That's it.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Sure, but what difference does that make to evolution?
Etritonakin
Well-Known Member
I'm not an "evolutionist" -but that could possibly be achieved by self-evolution/self design.... If we did not blow ourselves off the earth first or become extinct some other way.
Biblically, the body we are to be given -similar in working to Christ's "glorious" body -will allow for immortality, invincibility and similar creative ability. It may be possible for humans to one day design such bodies. I do not believe we will need such ups no longer be available a lengthy process, as God will purify us and give us such freely long before we might do so.
Even if humans somehow became immortal from within -not being subject to aging or decay of the body -they might still be destroyed from without (accidents, calamities, wars, etc.)
An important thing to note about evolution is that it essentially recycles a limited supply of materials. If any species was no longer subject to death by age, they might still be killed or consumed. If any or all species were not subject to death by age, it would affect availability of resources, population numbers, etc.
I'm too tired to think about all of the particulars, but it is Interesting to consider how "immortality" of species would be affected by the necessity to consume resources.
Edit: I was tired -not sure if there is a point there.
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First Baseman
Retired athlete
Evolution is dependent on when, where and how abiogenesis occurred, if it did.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
How, exactly? Since I have already explained that the origin of life could have been caused by divine agency or panspermia and evolution wouldn't be affected at all, how is evolution dependant in any way on abiogenesis?
First Baseman
Retired athlete
Well, I should have added the assumed qualifier that if there is no creator then abiogenesis of some kind had to occur somewhere.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Naturally, that makes more sense, but it still leaves no real connection between abiogenesis and evolution.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Just to add something. Self-organizing systems exist in nature, like crystals, lipid bubbles, and such, and it's usually spontaneous.
First Baseman
Retired athlete
Oh, sure. The fact that one had to happen (without a creator) in order for the other to happen just makes them totally unrelated.
Evolution had to have started from the very first organism. In fact the first organism had to have enough code in its RNA sequence to lead to every living thing in the world today. So you must be right, they are totally unrelated, shouldn't be discussed in the same paragraph at all.