There is more then enough evidence to prove God exists.

[adi2d]

Not really, I use a word predictor that sometimes puts in strange alternatives. I always check it though and put it right, it is just that there are those who try and stupefy you before you get chance to put right a perfectly logical error. You do it quite a lot.
l.

May bee yu shud prof reed befour yu poost

 

[Shad]

John 13:34-35

A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another

I can love a slave. After all we are slaves of Jesus 1 Corinthians 7:22. If Jesus can love us as his slaves I can love my slaves just like Jesus.

Also this verse really says nothing about slavery.

 

[Serenity7855]

I am sorry, but I do not accept your extrapolation

the·ism (thzm)
n.
Belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in a personal God as creator and ruler of the world.


Paganism

Disparaging and Offensive. pertaining to the worship or worshipers of any religion that is neither Christian, Jewish, nor Muslim.

of, pertaining to, or characteristic of pagans.

Theism is the belief in God. The belief in anything other than God is not theism.

The column that contains those "Who believe in God" is for Christians, Moslems, Jews and Buddhists. The second column contains those "Who don't believe in God, but do Believe in a universal spirit or higher power" which is for beliefs like Paganism. They are not theists. If they were meant to be together than they would have been put together. One section believes in God, the other section does not. You cannot add them together just to make your point right. It does not work like that, and I am sure you know that. But let me just remind you of what you said.

Originally Posted by metis View Post
But you're playing the same we/they game that you stereotypically claim scientists pursue, and let me remind you that a high percentage of scientists are theists, and most of the rest are agnostics (defined as not committing one way or another) and not atheists (defined as a belief there are no deities).
Even if you add both figures together it is still not a "High" percentage.

Even if you add both figures together it is still not a "High" percentage.

 

[Shad]

What you call spin I call truth. It is a standard indictment from atheists that God is a genocidal murderer who condones rape. It always gets the same responses that blow the assertions clean out of the water, but that does not stop atheists from persisting with it

So wiping out all of humanity except one family is no genocide? Kill most forms of animal and plant life except those on a boat is not destruction of the environment. Amsuing how you need to make up excuses for God's actions.

 

[Shad]

I am sorry, but I do not accept your extrapolation

the·ism (thzm)
n.
Belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in a personal God as creator and ruler of the world.

Example religions are monotheist not theist in general. There are polytheist which are theists since theist is the belief in a god not single or multiple hence the definition of mono and poly... Paganism included polytheist religions which had supreme Gods, multiple Gods in equality, etc.

 

[Serenity7855]

I can love a slave. After all we are slaves of Jesus 1 Corinthians 7:22. If Jesus can love us as his slaves I can love my slaves just like Jesus.

Are you telling the old porky pies again. Since when has a servant been a slave. Our entire government in the UK is made up of civil servants, are you saying they are slaves.

1 Corinthians 7:22

22 For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant.

Also this verse really says nothing about slavery.

What a very telling comment to make, demonstrating that atheists really do lack moral accountability. Would you want to make a slave out of anyone you unconditional loved? I wouldn't. Of course the verse condemns slavery as it condemns murder.

 

[Serenity7855]

So wiping out all of humanity except one family is no genocide? Kill most forms of animal and plant life except those on a boat is not destruction of the environment. Amsuing how you need to make up excuses for God's actions.

You have no need to worry about that. I do, and I am satisfied with the reasoning behind God allowing mankind to destroy themselves. You do not believe in God so it never happened.

 

[Serenity7855]

Example religions are monotheist not theist in general. There are polytheist which are theists since theist is the belief in a god not single or multiple hence the definition of mono and poly... Paganism included polytheist religions which had supreme Gods, multiple Gods in equality, etc.

The column that contains those "Who believe in God" is for Christians, Moslems, Jews and Buddhists. The second column contains those "Who don't believe in God, but do Believe in a universal spirit or higher power" which is for beliefs like Paganism. They are not theists. If they were meant to be together than they would have been put together. One section believes in God, the other section does not. You cannot add them together just to make your point right. It does not work like that, and I am sure you know that. But let me just remind you of what you said.

Polytheists believe in more then one God. The wording in the survey States clearly "those who believe in God". Now I would assume that either Polytheists are excluded from this list, as the wording implies monotheism, or they are included, as they believe in God/God's. The second list are for those who believe in anything other then a God. They are not theists. That makes it clear that there are more atheist scientists then theist scientists. But even if that were not true there still would not be a high percentage of theists in science, as was claimed. The entire argument is a waste of time and futile, a ploy to offset the point that was being made, which is what I said in the first place. I think you are just disagreeing here for the sake of it, and because it is me, because you do not seem to have read the thread properly.

 

[Serenity7855]

May bee yu shud prof reed befour yu poost

Nah, I will do it how I want and just ignore the trouble makers who use grammatical errors to stupefy their opponents. Most descent posters can see right through the ploy.

 

[Shad]

1 Corinthians 7:22

22 For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant.

Incorrect the word used is doulos which means slave. Transliteration are great and all especially when the word changes meaning right....

What a very telling comment to make, demonstrating that atheists really do lack moral accountability. Would you want to make a slave out of anyone you unconditional loved? I wouldn't. Of course the verse condemns slavery as it condemns murder.

No it just shows the average Christian like yourself does not know Greek, does not bother with a lexicon and take whatever they read at face value in English. Since doulos is used this means slave of Jesus so I can love my slaves as Jesus loves his slaves.

 

[Sapiens]

Yeah ... kinda weird ... in Greece the bus stops have signs that say "Stasis." I went looking for a transporter pad.

 

[Shad]

The column that contains those "Who believe in God" is for Christians, Moslems, Jews and Buddhists. The second column contains those "Who don't believe in God, but do Believe in a universal spirit or higher power" which is for beliefs like Paganism. They are not theists. If they were meant to be together than they would have been put together. One section believes in God, the other section does not. You cannot add them together just to make your point right. It does not work like that, and I am sure you know that. But let me just remind you of what you said.

Good to see your lack of education shining through again. Polytheism and monotheism are subcategories of theism.

"Theism, in the field of comparative religions is the belief that at least one deity exists. In popular parlance, the term theism often describes the classical conception of God that is found in Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Sikhism and Hinduism."

So clearly you are using the laymen's term not the term in the field. Your point becomes moot since you are not using the word in context to religion itself rather than the appeal to the population ignorant views.

Paganism includes monotheist, its just a slur again non-Christians made by Christians and is not defined to spirituality alone.

Polytheists believe in more then one God. The wording in the survey States clearly "those who believe in God". Now I would assume that either Polytheists are excluded from this list, as the wording implies monotheism, or they are included, as they believe in God/God's. The second list are for those who believe in anything other then a God. They are not theists. That makes it clear that there are more atheist scientists then theist scientists. But even if that were not true there still would not be a high percentage of theists in science, as was claimed. The entire argument is a waste of time and futile, a ploy to offset the point that was being made, which is what I said in the first place. I think you are just disagreeing here for the sake of it, and because it is me, because you do not seem to have read the thread properly.

Which is still a form of theism just not monotheism. Your survey means nothing to me since it just a poll outside of religious studies. A poll by non-experts using flawed terminology polling people just as ignorant as yourself. If you want to use words in their proper context stop using a dictionary and start looking at the terminology in the field itself.. Such surveys become meaningless due to flawed terminology.

Yes it is some what a waste of time dealing with someone as ignorant as yourself that you can not even use words in the proper context in which these words are formed and applied. I do hope that you will absorb something of what I post but do not worry my expectations are low.

 

[Serenity7855]

In the above you are saying nothing of substance; all I can see is a vague allusion to ethics. Science doesn’t pretend to be some kind of on-high moral arbiter; it is only a means by which we learn from causal relationships. So it is still unexplained why you believe science is a religion, either metaphorically or metaphysically. If you’re contending that unbelievers “worship” science, “glorifying and defending its honour”, then the arguments I’ve given you make a complete nonsense of that. But perhaps you are edging towards a moral argument? If so lay out your case and I’ll give you my response. WLC makes a fair fist of the moral argument, so perhaps you could start with that?

No, my claim was that they are both living organisms that are comparable in many areas.

1. Christianity : within Christian faiths there can be found in the hierarchy Arch Bishops, Bishops, and Cardinals. The most reverent and Holy of humanity.the revered and respected.

Science : The same hierarchy exists in sciences. The professors, Scientists and then Doctors. The most esteemed and intellectual of all mankind.

2. Christianity : we have the scriptures that guide and direct us into paths of righteousness. The commandments, principles, analogous parables and precepts to make sure that the result of our endeavours are wholesome and true

Science : has the scientific method by which all knew discoveries are made and solidified.it has the protocols that insure good practice and published papers to show how things have been achieved and recognised.

3. Christianity : most denominations have paid ministry, unfortunately, as money corrupts and puts men into positions of power where they should never be. Those that are in it for a job or other not so honourable desires, instead of Christians converted by the Holy Ghost. They draw near to Him with their mouths but in their hearts they are far from him, like a newly white washed tomb, clean and bright on the outside but inside full of dead men's bones.

Science : science has sponsored research by unscrupulous backers who are looking for maximum returns on there investments. To the point where the value of life becomes secondary to profit. Pharmaceutical companies are the worst offenders.

4. Christians believe in Diety.

Science believes that the ethos of science is God like and they even have their own saints, like St. Richard Dawkins, St. Stephen Hawkins and St. Brian Cox, amongst many others.

5. Christians have congregations

Science has researchers.

6. Science thinks it has the answer to all things, or will have given enough time.

Christians believe their God is omnipotent and omniscient.

The heart of Christianity is God. The heart of Science is the scientific method. Without these two organs nothing would be able to exist. Both survive on a ethos, a culture that bear many similarities. Both claim to be right.

 

[Shad]

diakonoß would have been the word to use if one means servant which is not property. Sadly this is not the word used. Yet the word is used in other verses in reference to servants; 2 Corinthian 3:6, 6:4, 11:15 and 11:23. The reason for going back to doulos to compare a literal slave with those that are slaves of Jesus. So that master would love their slaves as Jesus loves his followers which in this example are also slaves but willing ones. It does not say to free your slave just to love them. If Jesus can love his slaves, masters are capable of this as well. This is the message of the verse. Positive treatment of slaves not freeing of slaves.

 

[Sapiens]

No, my claim was that they are both living organisms that are comparable in many areas.

1. Christianity : within Christian faiths there can be found in the hierarchy Arch Bishops, Bishops, and Cardinals. The most reverent and Holy of humanity.the revered and respected.

Science : The same hierarchy exists in sciences. The professors, Scientists and then Doctors. The most esteemed and intellectual of all mankind.

2. Christianity : we have the scriptures that guide and direct us into paths of righteousness. The commandments, principles, analogous parables and precepts to make sure that the result of our endeavours are wholesome and true

Science : has the scientific method by which all knew discoveries are made and solidified.it has the protocols that insure good practice and published papers to show how things have been achieved and recognised.

3. Christianity : most denominations have paid ministry, unfortunately, as money corrupts and puts men into positions of power where they should never be. Those that are in it for a job or other not so honourable desires, instead of Christians converted by the Holy Ghost. They draw near to Him with their mouths but in their hearts they are far from him, like a newly white washed tomb, clean and bright on the outside but inside full of dead men's bones.

Science : science has sponsored research by unscrupulous backers who are looking for maximum returns on there investments. To the point where the value of life becomes secondary to profit. Pharmaceutical companies are the worst offenders.

4. Christians believe in Diety.

Science believes that the ethos of science is God like and they even have their own saints, like St. Richard Dawkins, St. Stephen Hawkins and St. Brian Cox, amongst many others.

5. Christians have congregations

Science has researchers.

6. Science thinks it has the answer to all things, or will have given enough time.

Christians believe their God is omnipotent and omniscient.

The heart of Christianity is God. The heart of Science is the scientific method. Without these two organs nothing would be able to exist. Both survive on a ethos, a culture that bear many similarities. Both claim to be right.

That is perhaps the most bizarre thesis I have ever read. It evidences a person with not a scintilla of knowledge concerning what science is, the scientific community and how science works.

 

[Shad]

That is perhaps the most bizarre thesis I have ever read. It evidences a person with not a scintilla of knowledge concerning what science is, the scientific community and how science works.

I have been saying this for a month now.

 

[Serenity7855]

That is perhaps the most bizarre thesis I have ever read. It evidences a person with not a scintilla of knowledge concerning what science is, the scientific community and how science works.

That is funny as it was taken from a book by a very renowned Nobel Prize winning scientist. You either tell lies, just to offend, as atheists with no moral accountability do, or you do not have a clue about that which you talk. I think both.

 

[Serenity7855]

diakonoß would have been the word to use if one means servant which is not property. Sadly this is not the word used. Yet the word is used in other verses in reference to servants; 2 Corinthian 3:6, 6:4, 11:15 and 11:23. The reason for going back to doulos to compare a literal slave with those that are slaves of Jesus. So that master would love their slaves as Jesus loves his followers which in this example are also slaves but willing ones. It does not say to free your slave just to love them. If Jesus can love his slaves, masters are capable of this as well. This is the message of the verse. Positive treatment of slaves not freeing of slaves.

You are wriggling and it is embarrassing. You reference was invalid regardless of this drivel.

 

[Shad]

5 is amusing as a congregation is made of average people while researchers are not average people but those specialized in a field

4 is hilarious as I can question any of these figures and disagree. Yet if I disagree with God I get to get to hell. I can not even contact God via twitter.

Whomever this scientist was he had no certification or degrees in logic or philosophy.

 

[Shad]

You are wriggling and it is embarrassing. You reference was invalid regardless of this drivel.

Open a lexicon covering your own holy book and learn. It was no wriggling it was proof that a word for servant which is not property was not used. The word for slave, property, was used. This show a clear difference in the meaning of the verse. It is amusing that I am teaching you about the language used in your own religion. You seem to be ignorant of your own holy text