There is more then enough evidence to prove God exists.

[outhouse]

Do you believe flood water killed people in real life thousands of years ago. It is a yes or no question.

 

[adi2d]

I am not playing on semantics, I am reading for comprehension words that you have not written for comprehension.




It is not an alleged reason. Do you think that religion exists without a reason. That we should believe in a God for no good reason. That would be naive. We are here to be tried and tested in the flesh. It is all a part of a perfect plan of salvation. I will not bother with the details as I am sure it will fall on deaf ears.

I don't have deaf ears. At least one person is here trying to see the reasoning behind your comments

 

[McBell]

I am not playing on semantics, I am reading for comprehension words that you have not written for comprehension.

Isn't bearing false witness a sin?

It is not an alleged reason. Do you think that religion exists without a reason. That we should believe in a God for no good reason. That would be naive. We are here to be tried and tested in the flesh. It is all a part of a perfect plan of salvation. I will not bother with the details as I am sure it will fall on deaf ears.

Again I have to ask why you are so afraid of answering.

To be honest with you, I am not the least bit surprised.
You are the best example of your definition of "militant atheist" this forum could ever hope to find.

So now that you have helped establish that it is in fact an alleged reason...

 

[Serenity7855]

What? LOL.

But babies are not accountable either, I presume.

That is why children who have not reached the age of accountability will go straight to the kingdom of God without being judged. The crucial factor is what is the age of accountability. It needs to be fluid as we are all, different.

So, if it is a Ok to kill older children, for the sole reason that they are not accountable,

It is not OK to kill older children. It is wrong to kill anybody. Those who brought about the death of innocent children will be held accountable. I mention children because they will be saved from judgement and be aires to celestial glory.

then it follows that it is ok to kill babies too.

It is not OK to kill babies. But you are mistaking who the Killers are. In this case it was the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah. They had been warned over and over again but they continued in their evil doings. Eventually, there was no other alternative, just like it will be in Armagheddon. They are responsible for their own destruction and the deaths of their children.

Unless you can tell me under which circumstances it is ok for older, but not too old children and not for babies.

Are you referring to my post. Only you are quoting me saying things that I have not said. It is never OK to kill children, regardless of their age. That is why the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah will be held accountable for the deaths of their children.

With "ok" I mean that it is a blessing rather than a cruel act.

If living in such an environment, such as Sodom and Gomorrah was in, with a good chance that the children would follow their parents in their inequities, and failed to gain entry into the kingdom of God, then it is far better for that child to be euthanased, and then go straight to the highest Kingdom of God, then to be subjected to such intolerable suffering. These people had no morals. They were satanic in nature, pedophiles, rapists, murderers, lascivious, idolatrous, incontinent and without any kind of natural affection. A little like the current society in which we now live. Shouldn't be to long before the same happens here.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Well, you got that wrong. No one in Sodom or Gomorrah were innocent. Even the children we corrupted at an early age and we're wicked. Not dissimilar to life here in the UK. I fear that any reasoning on this would not appease you.

If he would have slaughtered him you might be right, but he didn't so you are wrong.

How can a baby be wicked??

Look at the things you have to say and believe to make something terrible seem right.

 

[Serenity7855]

How can a baby be wicked??

Look at the things you have to say and believe to make something terrible seem right.

You are an atheist. You do not only disbelieve in a God you also disbelieve in Satan. You cannot be expected to know the answer to that question, did you think that Regan from the exercist was wicked whilst she was possessed?

 

[SkepticThinker]

OK, you can argue that humans had it coming, if you want. But God sent the flood to kill almost everyone. He did it. Whether or not humans ignored warnings or were too wicked doesn't change that. You seem to think his actions were justified, but they were his actions. Once that is established you can try to rationalize a loving god killing millions of innocent humans.

This ^^^

 

[SkepticThinker]

What about euthanasia, in the knowledge of a life hereafter, for tormented, evil, ignoble, demonic and devilish young humans who are in the depth of depravity, degeneracy and brutal servitude in exchange for a place in heaven.

It is not smart or clever to make it look like God is taking innocent suckling children from their mothers arms when in reality it is nothing like that. To do so is dishonest and deceptive. if you do not know the state of being of those children then say nothing rather then be belittled.

You don't know the state of being of those children either. Or the animals, as you said.

There's nothing dishonest or deceptive in assuming that babies and toddlers are innocent little human beings. Seriously. The series of mental gymnastics you seem to have to perform in order to condemn babies and toddlers to murder is quite telling. And you think atheist morality is destroying the world? Wow.

 

[SkepticThinker]

It was a supernatural event. You do not expect to find naturalistic evidence for a supernatural event.

Is water supernatural?

 

[SkepticThinker]

You are an atheist. You do not only disbelieve in a God you also disbelieve in Satan. You cannot be expected to know the answer to that question, did you think that Regan from the exercist was wicked whilst she was possessed?

Can you just answer the question??

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Can you just answer the question??

If you can't see how a fictional character from a fictional movie answers the question, then the larger questions regarding religion will be forever beyond your grasp. You have to be able to fully and indiscriminately integrate fantasy into reality in order for religion to make any kind of sense.

 

[outhouse]

Do you believe flood water killed people in real life thousands of years ago. It is a yes or no question.

Ah yes. Unanswered by OP.

 

[Serenity7855]

You don't know the state of being of those children either. Or the animals, as you said.

With your perspective of the finality of life, you cannot possibly understand the principles behind this story. Unless you are capable of conceptualising the ability of a child, at that time and in that God forsaken place, to be corrupted at a very early age, you will never be able to conceive the sheer morality in taking the spirit from the body, and placing the spirit child safely into the highest Kingdom of heaven to be cared for. You just cannot comprehend this because you have not been blessed with the knowledge that there even is a heaven where the majority of us will end up. That in that place there are many mansions where God will find a place for each and everyone of us. That the happiness found in the kingdom where those children will reside is incomprehensible to our understanding, therefore, you can not see the benefits of the child taken out of such corruption as you would naturally think, better a bad life then no life at all and nothing at death. You simply cannot see it, but you do not have to. You are an atheist. You do not believe in the bible. You, therefore, do not have to believe in a flood where children and animals perished. It is all irrelevant to you and only really pertains to us Christians, who believe it. So, you have no ground on which to debate something that is a fallacy to you. Just put it down to Christian essentricity.

There's nothing dishonest or deceptive in assuming that babies and toddlers are innocent little human beings. Seriously. The series of mental gymnastics you seem to have to perform in order to condemn babies and toddlers to murder is quite telling. And you think atheist morality is destroying the world? Wow.

Well, no need to fret any more. The story is contained in the bible. You do not believe in the bible and it's stories so from your perspective it never happened. It is only relevant to Christians as they have an eternal perspective so can fully understand the principles involved, whereas, you think that the grave is the end of us. So, take a chill pill and leave us with our belief.

 

[Serenity7855]

Ah yes. Unanswered by OP.

Do you believe in the flood, as described in the Old Testament of the Holy Bible?

Yes

 

[outhouse]

Do you believe in the flood, as described in the Old Testament of the Holy Bible?

No.

I know exactly where the mythology originated from. A regional river flood.

Now you answer.

 

[Serenity7855]

Can you just answer the question??

When you can phrase the question in a way that does not make me look like a jerk off in answering it, then I will answer it. When you remove the traps in your questions and can assure me that you are capable of seeing exactly what I see, then I will answer it. When I am certain that your interests in the subject are honorable and not a ploy to discredit the word of God and, in turn, his servants, then I will answer it. Until such time as that happens, I will keep my pearls in my pocket.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

When you can phrase the question in a way that does not make me look like a jerk off in answering it, then I will answer it. When you remove the traps in your questions and can assure me that you are capable of seeing exactly what I see, then I will answer it. When I am certain that your interests in the subject are honorable and not a ploy to discredit the word of God and, in turn, his servants, then I will answer it. Until such time as that happens, I will keep my pearls in my pocket.

You said:

"Well, you got that wrong. No one in Sodom or Gomorrah were innocent. Even the children we corrupted at an early age and we're wicked. Not dissimilar to life here in the UK."

They asked how a child can be wicked. There's no traps in that question - there's not even enough room for them. You made a clear statement that even children can be "wicked", and they asked you HOW that can be so.

Answer the question, or retract your statement.

 

[Serenity7855]

No.

I know exactly where the mythology originated from. A regional river flood.

Now you answer.

You do not need my answer. It will be based on my Christian belief and you believe that God is a farce. That has to mean that my answer will be as fallacious as the question. I

I don't have an answer, however, there is no archeology evidence to suggest that there has ever been a global flood, so my guess would be that the flood was either allegorical or supernatural.

 

[Serenity7855]

You said:

"Well, you got that wrong. No one in Sodom or Gomorrah were innocent. Even the children we corrupted at an early age and we're wicked. Not dissimilar to life here in the UK."

They asked how a child can be wicked. There's no traps in that question - there's not even enough room for them. You made a clear statement that even children can be "wicked", and they asked you HOW that can be so.

Answer the question, or retract your statement.

The question has been answered, that you cannot comprehend the answer is not my fault.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

The question has been answered, that you cannot comprehend the answer is not my fault.

No, the question was not answered. You cannot comprehend what has not been offered.

How can a child be wicked?