So basically you are covering all your bases. Fair enough
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There is no argument to be used against a Messenger
So basically you are covering all your bases. Fair enough
Explain your use of those people in light of what was offered below.
"...Any argument a person of faith chooses to dissprove a True Messenger of God, is just as valid against their chosen Messenger.
So is it not then logical that we could then prove the Messengers by comparing the Attibutes?
Then in that process, those that are false, will start to become obvious?.."
Regards Tony
Not really, the criteria for a Messanger cannot be fulfilled by any person, they would eventually to be found false.
Regards Tony
It seems to me that any valid and unbiased questioning would show them to be false anyway.
Many tried that, but they could not even prove them false with invalid and biased questioning.
There is a reason they kill, imprisoned and banish Messengers, because in the end the Message is suited to the age and good reasoning.
Regards Tony
The confirmation bias is strong in you.
Can any of them provide falsifiable evidence for their claim of messenger?
Can any of them provide falsifiable evidence that a god even exists to bestow this wonderful gift on them?
The truthful and honest answer to each question is 'no'. However some people choose faith.
Balthazzar
N. Germanic Descent
Teachers ... there's quite a few who teach things that are untruthful, but then we have new info verified as being more so accurate, which gives opportunity for the illiterate unaware teachers to update their curriculum. It seems to be ongoing in life. That's life. We learn as we go.
Jeb Bush (the brother of President W. Bush) is a false prophet. He told his followers that God promised him that no hurricane would strike Florida while he was Governor. A hurricane struck (proving that he was a false prophet). Jeb Bush, then said that the hurricane didn't hurt the good people's homes (the rich who had famous architects), but only destroyed the trailer trash people.
Christians, today, follow Satan, and they don't even know it.
Satan rules by lies, greed, and fear, and supports war and torture. Satan wants to ruin God's environment. Satan wants welfare to the rich at the expense of the poor.
God said "thou shalt not kill." Reverend John Hagee said "pray to Jesus to win the war in Iraq." Christians don't notice the contradiction, so they follow Satan. Satan doesn't believe in personal freedom (so wiretaps, and hacks emails....Google Eric Snowden).
Ambassador Joseph Wilson wrote a book (The Politics of Truth) detailing how President W. Bush lied us to many wars. W. Bush and Cheney had ordered Wilson to tell lies about Niger selling Uranium to Iraq (to justify the unjust war against the peaceful nation, and to make yet another unjust war against Niger and steal its resources and land). As punishment for Wilson telling the truth, W. Bush and Cheney outed his CIA wife, Valery Plame (book explains about that too). When Plame was outed, several CIA embedded agents were put to death ty our enemies for associating with her. Attorney General John Ashcroft (a highly religious man) wrote a book (Never Again) about going along with the W. Bush administration's lies. Both Wilson and Ashcroft were two top aides of the W. Bush administration.
W. Bush used phony orange alerts (scare tactics and lies) to motivate more wars (killing) in North Korea. We were supposed to support W. Bush's war plans because we feared nukes hitting California. Actually, North Korea wasn't interest in nuclear bombs until W. Bush made so many threats against them.
Fruits of W. Bush:
1. Revelation 17:18 says that the Whore of Babylon is that great nation that has dominion over all other nations (the USA is the most powerful nation in the world), and Revelation wars that the Whore of Babylon attacked Iraq and corrupted it.
2. Wars (thou shalt not kill)
3. Torture camps
4. Environmental destruction (denial of mankind's impact on Global Warming). Hence floods, droughts, freezes, and heat waves. Hurricanes are also intensified by Global Warming (so W. Bush had his lawyers redact the United States Environmental Report, causing the resignation of the woman scientist who wrote it, so W. Bush appointed non-scientists to fill her position (mouthpieces for he greed motivated pro-oil agenda). This is why President Donald Trump denied Global Warming (he believed W. Bush's lies).
But who sent Him?
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
That is correct. No messenger has given proof of his ministry which is any way different from what a charlatan gives.
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The modern Prophets of God repeat the warnings of Revelation (that is, don't attack Iraq or face God's wrath). For example, Revelation 15 is covid.
If Revelation already told us everything that we needed to know, why did God send modern Prophets of God? What good does it do to restate the obvious? The answers are simple: God knew that many would ignore (or not believe, or not interpret) Revelaiton. So, God sent live Prophets of God to restate Revelation.
But if the Prophets of God are restating Revelation verbatim, how do we know that they are true Prophets of God? Well, they certainly can't be false if they speak the truth right out of the bible.
Those who defy God certainly can't be messengers of God. For example, those who make wars (kill) openly defy God's commandment not to kill.
God sends some one in a form we are capable of communicating with. We’re He to appear to us in His true form, we would not be able to communicate as He is God and we are human beings.
Verily, were God the Exalted to appear in His (proper) grade and form, and in a manner befitting His Station, no one could ever approach Him or endure to be near Him.
In every world, He appears according to the capacity of that world. For example, in the world of spirits He manifests Himself to them and appears unto them with the signs of the Spirit. So, likewise, in bodies in the world of names and attributes. (Baha’u’llah)
Then there is this reason why some reject the Messengers, because They bring a message which doesn’t serve some agendas.
For example Baha’u’llah teaches we should think with our own minds and not blindly follow others so He abolished priesthood. While thinking for ourselves is preferable, this law would put priests and clergy out of a job so they goaded their followers to imprison and exile Him and they do this to all the Messengers because some don’t seek love and unity but power, control over the masses and wealth.
As oft as an Apostle cometh unto you with that which your souls desire not, ye swell with pride, accusing some of being impostors and slaying others. (Baha’u’llah)b(Quran 2:87)
For example Baha’u’llah teaches we should think with our own minds and not blindly follow others so He abolished priesthood. While thinking for ourselves is preferable, this law would put priests and clergy out of a job so they goaded their followers to imprison and exile Him and they do this to all the Messengers because some don’t seek love and unity but power, control over the masses and wealth.
As oft as an Apostle cometh unto you with that which your souls desire not, ye swell with pride, accusing some of being impostors and slaying others. (Baha’u’llah)b(Quran 2:87)
Then Isaac Newton is the one true messenger and Principia the true revelation of God if you go by influence.....
firedragon
Veteran Member
Do you understand the fallacy of this statement? I will try to explain if you are willing to understand.
Any argument a person of "faith" chooses to disprove a "True Messenger".
Stop there. One has already decided it's a true messenger.
It's like saying "I have a dog, and anyone who uses any argument to prove he is not a dog......". You have already known it's a dog.
That's a self serving statement.
Utterly nonsensical preaching technique Tony. If no one can see that fallacy of it, I don't have much to say for that kind of people. Maybe that is your audience in your fishing endeavour.
The Prophets aren’t the only inspired men by God. Great scientists, artists and musicians also have had very great influences on civilisation but many were also inspired by religion such as Michelangelo and Handel.
So we can even trace great scientists and artists whose works were directly affected by Jesus for example.
firedragon
Veteran Member
What are the proofs you have analysed and what are the sources you have researched to make that claim of yours?
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Human men are human men.
Father was the first human man.
Mother the first human woman.
Genetics the same spirit body came out of the eternal and walked directly into life.
Eternal is on the other side of space
Earths heavens body had refilled in emptied out pre existing eternal body changed gone.
Heavens was the contact position between eternal in eternal. Eternal becoming life.
Their presence was once a large population of the same two selves.
Science of man caused fallout pyramid temple technology that converted bio life. Genesis.
It's their theist memory we argue against in human life....scientists.
As they knew they converted biology.
So the Baha'i message. Is a baby man. Reborn. Aware first. Is spiritual. Returned by healed DNA in human memory.
Is life changed as an adult like Jesus terms by inherited old man's past technology causes. It was predicted. It was Inherited. Asteroid gain star fall.
Unlike his brother he becomes aware of our holy father. Speaks on his behalf as messenger. Is what is stated.
Proving when man's life is sacrificed changed. As it wasn't just his life....shroud evidence is another proof. Father speaks through him. Having saved a huge amount of mens life in memory. But not all men just chosen men.
Ice melts. Cause. Ice is saviour body removed. The amount of water mass atmospheric released is changed. Father's origin life emerged when less ice had existed. More water. Emerges as spirit memory people see.
Why it's involved in saviour ice melt.
As after Moses incident ice was put back onto earths face. Water of biology support gone.
Was when the mammoth body changed into a lesser haired elephant.
As being gas irradiated changed as alight flame hair loss balding is involved. As Egyptian technology Proved. DNA genesis mutations life survival then was about forty years only and balding.
Wigs worn. They believed smothering the body in a gold but it didn't stop radiation penetrating. Were wrong.
When doing an assessment about eternal spirit life beginnings father then lesser brother satanist science mind was caused. It's an expansive review.
Our new message in conscious healing is where women were finally given back mutual human equal rights previously taken.
The true teaching. No self idolisation is involved as stated.
The Baha'i message said it wasn't yet complete.
Why not just one spiritual man lives during the same period. Several gain different messages owning different types of body attacks.
Therefore as a human man was and is a human man. You always were a human man.
Father was the first human man.
Mother the first human woman.
Genetics the same spirit body came out of the eternal and walked directly into life.
Eternal is on the other side of space
Earths heavens body had refilled in emptied out pre existing eternal body changed gone.
Heavens was the contact position between eternal in eternal. Eternal becoming life.
Their presence was once a large population of the same two selves.
Science of man caused fallout pyramid temple technology that converted bio life. Genesis.
It's their theist memory we argue against in human life....scientists.
As they knew they converted biology.
So the Baha'i message. Is a baby man. Reborn. Aware first. Is spiritual. Returned by healed DNA in human memory.
Is life changed as an adult like Jesus terms by inherited old man's past technology causes. It was predicted. It was Inherited. Asteroid gain star fall.
Unlike his brother he becomes aware of our holy father. Speaks on his behalf as messenger. Is what is stated.
Proving when man's life is sacrificed changed. As it wasn't just his life....shroud evidence is another proof. Father speaks through him. Having saved a huge amount of mens life in memory. But not all men just chosen men.
Ice melts. Cause. Ice is saviour body removed. The amount of water mass atmospheric released is changed. Father's origin life emerged when less ice had existed. More water. Emerges as spirit memory people see.
Why it's involved in saviour ice melt.
As after Moses incident ice was put back onto earths face. Water of biology support gone.
Was when the mammoth body changed into a lesser haired elephant.
As being gas irradiated changed as alight flame hair loss balding is involved. As Egyptian technology Proved. DNA genesis mutations life survival then was about forty years only and balding.
Wigs worn. They believed smothering the body in a gold but it didn't stop radiation penetrating. Were wrong.
When doing an assessment about eternal spirit life beginnings father then lesser brother satanist science mind was caused. It's an expansive review.
Our new message in conscious healing is where women were finally given back mutual human equal rights previously taken.
The true teaching. No self idolisation is involved as stated.
The Baha'i message said it wasn't yet complete.
Why not just one spiritual man lives during the same period. Several gain different messages owning different types of body attacks.
Therefore as a human man was and is a human man. You always were a human man.