There is no evidence for God, so why do you believe?

[ElishaElijah]

The geological evidence unequivocally shows there has never been any global flood remotely like the Noah flood myth. Genesis gets even the most basic chronological facts about the formation of our solar system and the universe wrong, it is directly contradicted by the overwhelming evidence for and fact of species evolution. Why would I believe in supernatural magic like resurrections when they not only can't be supported by any objective evidence, but are entirely based on subjective hearsay, compiled long after the events they purport to describe? Claiming the bible must be true evidence for its claims, because it is the "word of a deity", is so obviously an irrational circular reasoning fallacy, why would i lend it any credence at all?

You may not care about facts, objective evidence, or logical consistency in your reasoning, but I certainly do.

Science and archeology are interesting but not too concerned about the unbelieving scientific communities interpretations of what they found.

 

[ElishaElijah]

You take your beliefs for granted. Okay, I also take mine for granted. Now what?

We remain friends

 

[Sheldon]

We do have communion with God and that is available to everyone through Jesus Christ,

No, you just make subjective anecdotal claims for this, as do other adherents of other religions for other deities of course.

why continue to live a life of spiritual death when you could be really alive?

I don't believe this unevidenced claim to be the case, that's why I remain unconvinced and disbelieve in your deity. I also am already really alive, that is axiomatic by any objective standard.

 

[Sheldon]

Science and archeology are interesting but not too concerned about the unbelieving scientific communities interpretations of what they found.

The fact you are closed minded dismissing scientific facts has no bearing on those facts. Unlike your unevidenced religious beliefs, these facts are supported by overwhelming objective evidence. You may of course ignore them, but they are facts, and they do refute unevidenced biblical myths, quod erat demonstrandum.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Oh, the Bible says those things. But the fact that they didn't happen is what shows the Bible to be unreliable.

You mean some people “say” they didn’t happen. I would classify that as opinion.

 

[Polymath257]

Find a valid source.

No need. I did your homework for you:

Manetho - Wikipedia

Not a historian, but a priest. And though he did write a story it appears to be myth as well. It was more of an anti-Hebrew tract. It was written in the third century BCE. That was long after Israel became a country and as a probably enemy of Egypt a priest from another country writing bad things about a hero of myth of one's enemies is not unexpected. Sorry but that would fails as evidence too.

To be fair, Manetho is one of our primary sources for Egyptian chronology. His kings lists are used for dating almost the whole of ancient Egyptian history.

Also, most historians in Egypt were priests because only priests knew how to write (all scribes were priests).

 

[Sheldon]

I gave you an Egyptian historian whom lived centuries after the exodus, and you call his writings as invalid. Look, to this Egyptian historian was best to deny the existence of Moses, but he wrote about him instead.

That's an appeal to authority fallacy if ever there was one, is there a consensus among historians based on the facts that support this hearsay account you're citing? I doubt it, since it would be every difficult to square the claim with the objective archaeological evidence which has demonstrated exodus never happened as the bible describes. The archaeologists were trying to confirm the veracity of the biblical myth as well, but they were objective enough to admit the truth when the evidenced demonstrated it.

Archeologists swear with their lives there was a Hittite empire, while maps from those times show no such an empire ever existed, but a small kingdom subjected to Babylon.

Archaeological evidence is not based on anyone swearing anything, so I am extremely dubious at such inaccurate hyperbole right off the bat. Maps alone are not objective evidence obviously, since maps can be faked.

Your "reliable sources" are not to be trusted.

A fitting oxymoron for such an obviously closed minded and biased comment. I will however go with the overwhelming scientific evidence, wherever it leads. Since I have no bias to indulge here either way.

 

[ElishaElijah]

No, you just make subjective anecdotal claims for this, as do other adherents of other religions for other deities of course.



I don't believe this unevidenced claim to be the case, that's why I remain unconvinced and disbelieve in your deity. I also am already really alive, that is axiomatic by any objective standard.

You are alive in one sense but dead in another because you have no spiritual awareness.

 

[Polymath257]

You mean some people “say” they didn’t happen. I would classify that as opinion.

Well, the evidence (and lack thereof) is what shows they didn't happen.

There was never a global flood as described in Genesis. if there were, there would be abundant evidence and there isn't.

The Exodus is harder to show didn't happen, but if you look at the time when Egypt controlled the Middle East, it quickly becomes obvious the story is wrong.

 

[Wildswanderer]

No, he was opposing the accepted *faith* of his time in Aristotelian philosophy.

What Galileo proposed was the scientific method: actually look at what happens in order to test our ideas. Aristotle taught that we only needed to think about things and not actually look.

What I said is still correct. If the accepted science was different than the current method it was still the science of the time period.

 

[Polymath257]

I would say that Harry Potter is a satanic seminar

I would say that it is fiction. Just like other books of myths, magic, and deities.

 

[Sheldon]

You mean some people “say” they didn’t happen. I would classify that as opinion.

Scientific facts are not validated by subjective opinions, no matter how much you might want to believe they are. The archaeologists who have disproved the biblical myth of Exodus, were primarily from Jewish universities, and motivated to validate it's claims for pretty obvious reasons, so in fact they showed enormous ethical integrity in admitting the decades of evidence disproved a cherished belief they held, that is how scientific rigour works, the opposite of what you are dishonestly claiming here.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Modern science is a fairly recent discovery that has opened up many avenues of investigation.

And to think it has all the answers and the ancients were stupid is extremely arrogant.

 

[Polymath257]

What I said is still correct. If the accepted science was different than the current method it was still the science of the time period.

There was no *science* at that time. The scientific method was not in use. The idea of testing to see if our thoughts were correct had not been adopted (and was actually widely dismissed). The way that investigations were done was by starting with philosophical and religious principles and trying to conclude that should be true. The idea of actually testing to see what is true wasn't present.

 

[Sheldon]

What I said is still correct. If the accepted science was different than the current method it was still the science of the time period.

@Polymath257 just explained why this is entirely incorrect, and you have simply ignored it and waved it away. Not very compelling reasoning. The origins of a geocentric universe are religion not science, modern science and it's methods did not exist prior to this incident, many philosophers of science maintain this was the "birth" of the modern scientific method. It was the Catholic church who arrested tried and imprisoned Galileo for heresy, so this was science attempting to drag religious superstition into the modern era, and religion trying to strangle science in its crib. They failed of course and have recanted their positions on this and other scientific facts since. This ought to give anyone with any pretence of objectivity some pause.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

There was no *science* at that time. The scientific method was not in use. The idea of testing to see if our thoughts were correct had not been adopted (and was actually widely dismissed). The way that investigations were done was by starting with philosophical and religious principles and trying to conclude that should be true. The idea of actually testing to see what is true wasn't present.

Well, that is not the case for all philosophy.
This one: Man is the measure of what is, as it is and what is not, as it is not. Protagoras. That one is an observation of cultural and moral relativism.
Protagoras tested how culture and morality works and based that on observation.

 

[Sheldon]

And to think it has all the answers and the ancients were stupid is extremely arrogant.

Not to mention another of your dishonest straw man fallacies. ironically it also appears to be a false dichotomy fallacy, so well done. Modern science is supported by sufficient objective empirical evidence, if it contradicts the "claimed" wisdom from archaic beliefs then describing those falsified beliefs as wisdom speaks for itself.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Scientific facts are not validated by subjective opinions, no matter how much you might want to believe they are. The archaeologists who have disproved the biblical myth of Exodus, were Jewish, and motivated to validate it's claims, so in fact they showed enormous ethical integrity in admitting the decades of evidence disproved a cherished belief they held, that is how scientific rigour works, the opposite of what you are dishonestly claiming here.

And other archeologists validate the story. Will see at the end at the final exam. This is all just preparation for that Day.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

And other archeologists validate the story. Will see at the end at the final exam. This is all just preparation for that Day.

In your belief system, that only works for you, because you have faith in it. I have a different faith.

 

[Sheldon]

There is, and can only be one answer, I believe because I have been granted faith by God.
Now I believe in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit and all God has done for my salvation.
Evidence of that will be when Jesus comes again in power and in glory to judge me and all the other living and the dead.

If that ever happens I'll believe it, in the meantime it's just a string of unevidenced subjective assertions, no different to claims people have seen mermaids.