There is no evidence for God, so why do you believe?

[Subduction Zone]

But they aren't claiming to be real history...at least I hope not!
The Bible is and does.

So what? Where does the Bible claim to be history? I am curious about that. But if we found a similar statement in a comic book would that make it history? I am sure that there are folk myths that do make similar claims.

 

[Wildswanderer]

There are likely no fossil records, and probably multiple paths from nonlife to life, so identifying exactly what happened may not be possible, but we can live with that if it's the case.

Sounds like you know less than nothing.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No that's just your confusion.

Better watch that. You can't support that claim. That would make it a personal attack. I can demonstrate that you were either lying or do not know how evidence is when you denied that there is evidence for evolution and abiogenesis, but none seems to be available for creationism.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sounds like you know less than nothing.

That is incorrect again. For example we know and can demonstrate that the myths of the Bible never happened.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Where does the Bible claim to be history?

Seriously? From the very first verse.

 

[Subduction Zone]

We aren't talking about evolution, remember?

Yes, we are. Perhaps you do not understand the Ninth Commandment either. Most literalists do not understand that Commandment.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Seriously? From the very first verse.

You must have a different Bible than I have.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Better watch that. You can't support that claim. That would make it a personal attack. I can demonstrate that you were either lying or do not know how evidence is when you denied that there is evidence for evolution and abiogenesis, but none seems to be available for creationism.

I have yet to see you produce any evidence at all for abiogenesis. In fact no one on this thread has.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Yes, we are.

You apparently have a short memory.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have yet to see you produce any evidence at all for abiogenesis. In fact no one on this thread has.

It has been presented. The thing is you need to be able to understand what is and what is not evidence to demand evidence. Are you ready to learn, it does not take too long to pick understand the concept.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Then you don't get the book, because it's pointing to God as the only source of meaning.

"Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the duty of all mankind."

This does not change my view in the least. We are always confronted with the existential question, but we are forever unable to admit to ourselves, "I don't know." That's just too unsatisfying.

In the end, even such great thinkers as David Hume (in his Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion) and Baruch Spinoza (in his Ethics) eventually had to fall back on a sort of deism. However, as we discover more and more about the universe, and about the deep physics that underlies it, it becomes harder and harder to fall back even on deism.

Nature, as it happens, happens. And that's all the explanation I think we're ever going to get.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You apparently have a short memory.

No, again, that would not be me. The problem is that once again because you do not understand the concept of evidence you cannot it when you break the Ninth Commandment.

 

[SkepticThinker]

But they aren't claiming to be real history...at least I hope not!
The Bible is and does.

So what? Claiming to be real history doesn't make it so.

 

[SkepticThinker]

No that's just your confusion.

You clearly do not understand the concept of evidence, given that you keep providing claims in lieu of evidence, thinking such claims are the evidence.

 

[Wildswanderer]

It has been presented.

Where? No one has even tried.

 

[Wildswanderer]

No, again, that would not be me

As I said I don't care about evolution if you can't show why life exists. I have no interest in point A to B. It doesn't matter. You can't split a cell that doesn't exist.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Where? No one has even tried.

Incorrect. Maybe not recently but you have been provided with evidence of it. But once again, you do not understand the concept of evidence and as a result you bore false witness against your neighbor. Please note, the Ninth Commandment is not about lying. It is about bearing false witness. And not knowing that a statement about your neighbors was false does not appear as an excuse in the Commandment.

In other words, that Commandment tells you that if you ever say anything about others (your neighbors) you need to be able to prove it.

As a Christian it is in your best interest to know what evidence is so that you do not make the error of claiming that none exists.

 

[Subduction Zone]

As I said I don't care about evolution if you can't show why life exists. I have no interest in point A to B. It doesn't matter. You can't split a cell that doesn't exist.

That is as foolish as denying the existence of cars because you have never been to an automobile factory.

Like it or not you are not just an ape, you are a monkey too. That of course is a fact and not a personal attack.

And we do have evidence for abiogenesis. You just won't follow the rules so you cannot demand that I show it to you.

 

[Polymath257]

You really don't understand the quote. When science finally figures it out they will find the theists knew it long ago.

Yes, I understand the quote. But I disagree with it.

 

[Polymath257]

But they aren't claiming to be real history...at least I hope not!
The Bible is and does.

And that is why we can dismiss much of it. We can check it against archeology and other written histories and see whether it is accurate.

And what we find is that it isn't.