"There is nothing that atheism (on its own) claims is 'right.' "?

[Darkstorn]

Close to where i live is a Neanderthal site that shows signs oc civilization in a permanent habitation and ritual burial

That's actually pretty interesting, i was under the impression that at that time most Neanderthals and even modern humans were actually nomadic.

But yeah, to me civilization began "differently" in different places. For one, there are cave drawings only around 6000 years old close to where i live.... Around the time when the first cities were already exercising their power on their neighbors.

 

[Valjean]

So, what about insectoid hive minds? By certain definition one could argue that they are the most advanced form of society.

Quite so. Eventually we'll all be assimilated -- resistance is futile.

Don't forget the fixed settlements

Any type of organization, even foragers, if the region is resource rich enough, and pastoralists, will sometimes form fixed settlements.

 

[Valjean]

Close to where i live is a Neanderthal site that shows signs oc civilization in a permanent habitation and ritual burial

Interesting. Is this really a permanent Neanderthal site, or a seasonal camp?
Many sites like caves and rock shelters were temporary or seasonal habitations, even if they were used for centuries. Hunter-gatherers need to migrate as they exhaust local resources.
And what people didn't have burial rites?

 

[Frater Sisyphus]

"Atheism is a claim to the nature of reality and the universe"

Does one mean that every one belonging to Atheism makes this claim automatically or by default, please?

Regards

Well both the concept of God (in its various interpretations) and a lack of, is fundamental to the nature of the universe. Atheists tend to reconsile this with science, which is fair enough.

On a semi-related note, quantum physics is very telling of something - any number of conclusions one may make from it all lead down interesting paths, including atheistic ones.

 

[Frater Sisyphus]

A claim to the nature of reality? I wasn't aware that atheism, per se, was a claim

Yes, the claim that a God doesn't exist

But whether one does or not isn't really matter to your question.

 

[dianaiad]

"There is nothing that atheism (on its own) claims is 'right.' "

Does one agree with the above or not,please?

Regards

Courtesy post #55 from A Vestigial Mote

This is true, because atheism, 'on its own' is nothing but 'without theism," or 'without deity."

However, atheism, like theism, is simply a general file folder in which to stuff belief and ethical systems. There is no such thing as an atheist (or a theist) who doesn't have such a system, simple or complicated. These systems include the idea of 'there is/is not" a deity, and goes on from there.

A catholic's ethical system (or what he considers to be 'right' or 'wrong' isn't because he's a theist. It's because he's a CATHOLIC...Catholicism is a theist system, but hey...

A secular humanist has an opinion of what is right and wrong...not because he is an atheist, but because he is a secular humanist and secular humanists are usually atheists.

Don't ascribe morals and ideas to all theists because one set of 'em has a specific moral/ethical system.

...and don't ascribe all atheists a set of ethics (or complete lack of same) because you think one set is lacking them.

I'm trying to remember the name of the fallacy here...composition. That's the one.

 

[Valjean]

Yes, the claim that a God doesn't exist

But whether one does or not isn't really matter to your question.

You haven't been reading the non-believer's posts, have you?

 

[Darkstorn]

Yes, the claim that a God doesn't exist

I don't claim that and i'm an atheist. I also don't claim that they do exist. Where is my claim?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

You're not making much sense here.

So sorry. I'll see if I can dumb it down enough for you.

Do fish make an active decision to not collect stamps? Yes or no?

No, of course.

Thus your very silly claim that not-collecting stamps is some sort of hobby or active decision is false.

Is that low-brow enough, or do you need me to write even slower?

 

[dfnj]

"There is nothing that atheism (on its own) claims is 'right.' "

Does one agree with the above or not,please?

Regards

Courtesy post #55 from A Vestigial Mote

Read what atheism is from people who actually care about it: What is Atheism? | American Atheists

 

[David T]

The post made complete sense. I would suggest re-reading, but I'm seeing a trend in your posts and replies that has me lacking confidence in that making a difference for you.

I have total confidence you won't!!!

 

[David T]

This is absolutely true. Rejecting what others believe does not make one "right." Just as you possibly rejecting Christianity, or rejecting belief in the old Greek pantheon of gods, or rejecting belief in the tennets of Scientology does not make you "right."

But where does this fact get you? We are in the same boat. You're not "right" simply because you don't believe others either. This doesn't strengthen the position you hold with all of the positive claims you may try to make.

Vestigial... excellent. Although if I say excellent you should question your sanity!.... lol....

 

[Shushersbedamned]

Do fish make an active decision to not collect stamps? Yes or no?

No, of course.

Thus your very silly claim that not-collecting stamps is some sort of hobby or active decision is false.

I never made such a claim.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

If one simply doesn't believe in a God but makes no claim about the existence or non-existence of "God", then they would be an agnostic.

Not necessarily. An agnostic make a positive claim (“the existence of god is unknowable”). Agnosticism isn’t some non-commital default.

OTOH, if the person doesn’t believe in any gods and doesn’t make claims either way, they aren’t a theist, so therefore they’re an atheist.

 

[Altfish]

"There is nothing that atheism (on its own) claims is 'right.' "

Does one agree with the above or not,please?

Regards

Courtesy post #55 from A Vestigial Mote

Atheism says nothing ... it is just a lack of belief in gods.

 

[FlyingTeaPot]

"There is nothing that atheism (on its own) claims is 'right.' "

Does one agree with the above or not,please?

Regards

Courtesy post #55 from A Vestigial Mote

Absolutely agree. What theists often do not understand is that atheism is a very lazy activity. We don't have to do anything beyond disbelieving a claim to call ourselves members of this rather lethargic group.

 

[paarsurrey]

Absolutely agree. What theists often do not understand is that atheism is a very lazy activity. We don't have to do anything beyond disbelieving a claim to call ourselves members of this rather lethargic group.

Then why do they hold debates, join discussions, write essays and books ridicule the revealed religions so often actively. They may rest in peace in Atheism, no compulsions however, please .
Regards

 

[HonestJoe]

Then why do they hold debates, join discussions, write essays and books ridicule the revealed religions so often actively. They may rest in peace in Atheism, no compulsions however, please .

Regards

A few atheists do those things but not because they’re atheists. A few theists do the same kind of thing from their point of view. The vast, vast majority of people don’t do these things regardless of their beliefs.

 

[Darkstorn]

Then why do they hold debates, join discussions, write essays and books

Because they might have other things to say than just how awesome their atheism is? For example, maybe they find something worth criticizing in your religion. I sure do.

ridicule the revealed religions so often actively.

Why do you actively try to ridicule atheism? There's like 9000 threads just on the front page by you about the subject.

But here's why i'd do it: Because people calling something "revelead" might not make it revealed at all, and in their quest to try to convince others of the merits of said revelation, they sometimes do so in a manner that can be criticized objectively. Regardless of your faith.

They may rest in peace in Atheism, no compulsions however, please .
Regards

Ok.

 

[`mud]

WOW !!!! Like talking to some walls !!!