These Students will change US gun landscape

[oldbadger]

Yes, let's keep pretending guns kill people and not bullying, mental illness, and other problems nobody wants to acknowledge they ignore.

Why not address those issues as well, instead of dumping the common-sense of gun controls?

Presumably you did see the graphic which shows that gun deaths in the USA since 1968 exceed every death in action in every war and military undertaking the USA has ever had? What a shocker!

I don't think that the voters will let you pretend that all is well with present gun laws in your States.... do you?

 

[Curious George]

What defence did all those school victims have?
And I don't want to regulate anything in your country, but it does rather seem that your voters are slowly swaying towards an inalienable right to increase the quality of their lives...... and their longevity, and also for their loved ones.

Who knows? The tide might be turning against the gung-ho gun-nuts?

Well it seems as though you are advocating pretty strongly for something you do not want.

Maybe a tide is turning, but I can't imagine the tide is turning against the reasonable pro gun advocates like myself.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

We've gotten off the subject, which is always the goal with the gun crowd. Talk about anything except the gun issue. Keep em talking...

Well, yes-- but for every off-issue they bring up? There are solutions that would work.

Just like there are solutions for the gun problem.

Proof? Other places in the world have as high tech societies as the USA, but manage to avoid mass death in public venues due to guns.

For some reason, you only ever read about mass shootings in the USA.... or in places where Law And Order are non-existent.... but never in the other major "first world" countries.

Why is that, he asks rhetorically...

 

[oldbadger]

Well it seems as though you are advocating pretty strongly for something you do not want.

Want or Need?
Even children in the UK have been out demonstrating on behalf of schoolchildren in the USA..... they don't need to advocate 'pretty strongly' either, but they seem to feel empathy for US children and teachers.
They are part of the next generation, and so, one day or another, they're going to be listened to.

Maybe a tide is turning, but I can't imagine the tide is turning against the reasonable pro gun advocates like myself.

We can all see that, that you can't imagine much.
Maybe if you'd found yourself running around a school in terror as shot people fell dead and wounded around you it might have made a difference to your levels of empathy? Who knows?

 

[Curious George]

Want or Need?

That makes no sense in the context of our discussion.

Even children in the UK have been out demonstrating on behalf of schoolchildren in the USA..... they don't need to advocate 'pretty strongly' either, but they seem to feel empathy for US children and teachers.

Yes and they want the regulation as well, what is your point?

They are part of the next generation, and so, one day or another, they're going to be listened to.

Or they will grow wiser.

We can all see that, that you can't imagine much.
Maybe if you'd found yourself running around a school in terror as shot people fell dead and wounded around you it might have made a difference to your levels of empathy? Who knows?

Probably not. I understand that more is involved.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Yes, let's keep pretending guns kill people and not bullying, mental illness, and other problems nobody wants to acknowledge they ignore.

Except the people who are pushing for greater gun control are also pushing for more funding and research into mental health and the CAUSES of gun violence.
Parkland students: our manifesto to change America's gun laws | Editorial staff of the Eagle Eye

Why do people keep insisting this is an either/or scenario?

 

[oldbadger]

That makes no sense in the context of our discussion.

Ah..... you just do not understand how much difference there is between 'want' and 'need', is all.

Yes and they want the regulation as well, what is your point?

You don't understand.... the UK children already have much safer schools because of the regulation (legislation) here.

Or they will grow wiser.

Out of the mouths of children.....................

Probably not. I understand that more is involved.

Indeed.

 

[oldbadger]

Except the people who are pushing for greater gun control are also pushing for more funding and research into mental health and the CAUSES of gun violence.
Parkland students: our manifesto to change America's gun laws | Editorial staff of the Eagle Eye

Exactly......

Why do people keep insisting this is an either/or scenario?

I think that the 'we need fast firing guns' crowd will try anything.

And if new legislation comes anywhere near to being passed, I'll bet that they will start to accuse the gun-control supporters of being traitors to the ideals of country, secret communists working for Putin..... you name it!
Yep...... I reckon that they'll chuck anything......

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Exactly......


I think that the 'we need fast firing guns' crowd will try anything.

And if new legislation comes anywhere near to being passed, I'll bet that they will start to accuse the gun-control supporters of being traitors to the ideals of country, secret communists working for Putin..... you name it!
Yep...... I reckon that they'll chuck anything......

Infowars are already comparing the students who attended or organized the March for life to literal Nazis:

‘Hitler Youth’ Student Gun Control March Invades Washington

 

[Curious George]

Ah..... you just do not understand how much difference there is between 'want' and 'need', is all.

Are you proposing that you need this legislation? I think it is you who doesn't understand the difference between want and need.

You don't understand.... the UK children already have much safer schools because of the regulation (legislation) here.

Um...the conversation was regarding the advocacy over here, not what is over there.

Out of the mouths of children.....................

Lol.................

Indeed.

Indeed.

 

[Curious George]

And if new legislation comes anywhere near to being passed, I'll bet that they will start to accuse the gun-control supporters of being traitors to the ideals of country, secret communists working for Putin..... you name it!
Yep...... I reckon that they'll chuck anything......

Some probably will. I know that I won't. I will think they are naive and lack an ability to understand the bigger picture, but if they believe that gun regulation or bans are correct, then I think they should advocate for such laws. People should politically support their beliefs. My issue is when they are blind to reason and start insisting that the "other side" doesn't care about the children dying, or how the "other side are "gun nuts and crazies" or how the "other side is just going to throw insults and insinuations because they have nothing else.

Pretty much, your level of advocacy. It is this level of advocacy where one should have the mental fortitude to take a step back and reexamine their own biases. Moreover, this level of advocacy brings into question whether their is any significant argument for gun regulation that such an advocate understands. This type of advocacy indicates that the advocate is working largely on emotion. While not wrong, it is myopic.

 

[oldbadger]

Infowars are already comparing the students who attended or organized the March for life to literal Nazis:

‘Hitler Youth’ Student Gun Control March Invades Washington

Ha ha!
Now I thought that the slanderers would accuse the demonstrators of being Left-wingers....... but they plumped for accusing all of being Right-wingers! Heh heh!

 

[oldbadger]

Are you proposing that you need this legislation? I think it is you who doesn't understand the difference between want and need.
Um...the conversation was regarding the advocacy over here, not what is over there.
Lol.................
Indeed.

I wonder if they can make a difference?
It seems to be happening slowly, because we hear that some large corporations are withdrawing their support for the NRA.

 

[oldbadger]

............................ It is this level of advocacy where one should have the mental fortitude to take a step back and reexamine their own biases....................

Go on, then........ !

 

[Curious George]

I wonder if they can make a difference?
It seems to be happening slowly, because we hear that some large corporations are withdrawing their support for the NRA.

Still waiting. Are you proposing that you need this legislation?

And the NRA likely deserves to lose their support. While the NRA has supported advocacy that some like, it has also supported advocacy that some do not. If an organization supports issues for which you disagree more so than the organization supports issues for which you agree then their is likely little reason to support such an organization.

 

[Curious George]

Go on, then........ !

I can't do it for you. It would be nice if I could.

 

[1137]

Why not address those issues as well, instead of dumping the common-sense of gun controls?

Presumably you did see the graphic which shows that gun deaths in the USA since 1968 exceed every death in action in every war and military undertaking the USA has ever had? What a shocker!

I don't think that the voters will let you pretend that all is well with present gun laws in your States.... do you?

I'm not arguing for or against gun law reform. I'm laughing at the pathetic need for people to blame inanimate objects instead of the humans behind them, and certainly refuse to look at themselves godforbid!

Btw can I see the stats on how many people own guns that don't murder people?

Except the people who are pushing for greater gun control are also pushing for more funding and research into mental health and the CAUSES of gun violence.
Parkland students: our manifesto to change America's gun laws | Editorial staff of the Eagle Eye

Why do people keep insisting this is an either/or scenario?

Who said it was either or? God forbid either the liberals or conservatives take an objective look at something for once!

 

[1137]

Let's get objective. There's supposedly "a gun for every American," that's 326,000,000 guns. 533,000 gun deaths. That's .001% of our guns killing people. So yeah, totally reasonable to think guns are the cause )

#liberallogic

 

[oldbadger]

Still waiting.

How patient you are........ !
As if you had asked a question of any real import.

Are you proposing that you need this legislation?

Anybody, absolutely anybody, has the right to give support to anybody, absolutely anybody, who is striving for a safer world, country, county or for that matter a school.

And anybody who tries to deter that, or question that as you have, is leaning towards the dark side. Imagine that........ we'll all be calling you Darth before long...

And the NRA likely deserves to lose their support. While the NRA has supported advocacy that some like, it has also supported advocacy that some do not. If an organization supports issues for which you disagree more so than the organization supports issues for which you agree then their is likely little reason to support such an organization.

Well thankyou for that.
Maybe some day folks will gather up and list a bunch of your paras............. The thoughts of CG.

A % of the schoolchildren of the USA, together with their supporters, seek to introduce some common-sense legislation for controlling guns, and since the NRA has initiated nothing to reduce and deter the murders and mass murders then maybe it should lose this one.

You didn't want to see a list of school murders and shootings for any year, or at all, I notice? Let's pick one for you, at random, and pin 'em up here for readers to see................. ummmm...... a short one, including all gun and attack crime incidents and gun accidents included........ err...... 2011.

January 5, 2011 Omaha, Nebraska 2 2 At Millard South High School, 18-year-old student, Robert Butler Jr., killed assistant principal Dr. Vicki Kaspar and wounded principal Curtis Case before opening fire at police in the front office area, causing the school nurse to be wounded by gunshot debris. Butler then drove to a parking lot and shot himself as police cornered him.[460]

March 25, 2011 Martinsville, Indiana 0 1 Michael Phelps, a 15-year-old suspended student, returned to Martinsville West Middle School with a handgun. In the entrance of the school, Phelps shot 15-year-old Chance Jackson twice in the abdomen, critically wounding him. Phelps fled the school and dropped the handgun; he was arrested shortly after. Jackson had to undergo surgery three times to save his life; he suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder. Phelps was convicted of attempted murder in August 2011, and was sentenced to thirty years in prison and five years of probation.[461]

March 31, 2011 Houston, Texas 1 5 Multiple gunmen opened fire during a powder puff football game at Worthing High School. One man, an 18-year-old former student named Tremaine De Ante’ Paul, died. Five other people were injured.[462]

May 23, 2011 Pearl City, Hawaii 0 1 A 14-year-old male student is accused of firing a handgun on the campus of Highlands Intermediate School, wounding one student. The gunman was arrested on suspicion of attempted murder. Two other suspects were arrested in connection with the shooting.[463]

October 24, 2011 Fayetteville, North Carolina 0 1 Cape Fear High School shooting: 15-year-old Catilyn Abercrombie, was shot in the neck with a rifle by fellow student, 15-year-old Charles Underwood, at Cape Fear High School. She was hospitalized for two months in a serious condition. Underwood was arrested and charged with attempted murder. He was convicted of attempted first-degree murder and sentenced to fifteen years in prison.[464]

December 8, 2011 Blacksburg, Virginia 2 0 22-year-old, Ross Truett Ashley, part-time business student at Radford University, killed a police officer engaged in an unrelated traffic stop on the campus of Virginia Tech, he then committed suicide in a nearby parking lot.[465]

December 9, 2011 Edinburg, Texas 0 2 Two students were shot after school at Harwell Middle School in Edinburg, Texas while trying out for their school's basketball team. The shooting allegedly was done by an adult off campus, who was shooting at a target range.[466]

 

[oldbadger]

I'm not arguing for or against gun law reform. I'm laughing at the pathetic need for people to blame inanimate objects instead of the humans behind them, and certainly refuse to look at themselves godforbid!

You're laughing......... at legislation which seeks to control fast-fire guns?
Nobody is blaming fast-fire guns, they simply want to increase control of them...... there will always be nasty murderous folks about..... it's just a matter of making things more difficult for them to mass-murder so quickly and easily.
A bit facetious, isn't it? Laughing at all this?

Btw can I see the stats on how many people own guns that don't murder people?

I don't do homework on Good Friday, please put in an application to me on any weekday and I might think about it.