These Students will change US gun landscape

[Curious George]

I have no idea what you're trying to say at this point.

I am trying to say that statistics do not apply to individuals. The idea of taking statistics of reported self defense with guns and statistics of gun violence and then comparing those with statistics of gun ownership in order to show a likelihood is wrong thinking. It gets worse when one tries to draw a causal relationship. And even worse still when one tries to apply these wrong headed statistics to individuals. There are too many other factors at play.

 

[Audie]

You do realize that they wouldn't need guns to provide the illusion of safety if semi-autos and handguns were banned in the first place, which removes the very thing they're afraid of, right? But doing nothing to keep guns off the street just perpetuates the problem. There will just more people buying guns, shooting people with them or committing other crimes and more people buying guns out of fear and so on.

There is no need for a semi automatic or a blunderbus to go after me.
Any man could easily overpower me.

Women do defend themselves with an "equalizer" sometimes,
no illusion involved, unless it is the illusion that this does not
happen, or that women can fight mano, you know, a.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I am trying to say that statistics do not apply to individuals. The idea of taking statistics of reported self defense with guns and statistics of gun violence and then comparing those with statistics of gun ownership in order to show a likelihood is wrong thinking. It gets worse when one tries to draw a causal relationship. And even worse still when one tries to apply these wrong headed statistics to individuals. There are too many other factors at play.

So data showing that having a gun in the home puts one at a higher risk for gun violence over non-armed homes doesn't tell us anything? What???

 

[Audie]

Pepper spray might be a good choice.

Best choice: My boyfriend. He was in the marines.

 

[Curious George]

I don't have the right to take anything from you. But I can vote for politicians who can pass gun control laws and for Presidents who can appoint judges that can make rulings that support gun control, too. I do not believe that anyone needs a gun aside from something like hunting and you certainly shouldn't be using a semi-auto, handgun or shotgun to do that. I do not support the paranoid siege mentality of Americans.

Creating gun bans is belief that you have the right to take away a right based on the majority. In some situations this is okay. I believe we should be able to take away businesses right to advertise in any way they like, I believe we should be able to prevent landlords from contracting away tenant rights or providing unlivable conditions. I believe we should be able to limit or take away a great many things. Guns at the federal level are not one of those things.

 

[BSM1]

So data showing that having a gun in the home puts one at a higher risk for gun violence over non-armed homes doesn't tell us anything? What???

If I am not mistaken, there are statistics that show drunk drivers kill more people than sober drivers. Does this mean we take away alcohol from responsible drinkers?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

There is no need for a semi automatic or a blunderbus to go after me.
Any man could easily overpower me.

Women do defend themselves with an "equalizer" sometimes,
no illusion involved, unless it is the illusion that this does not
happen, or that women can fight mano, you know, a.

You yourself just said above that you would probably be too paralyzed with fear to even use the gun so it seems as if you just got the gun for psychological reasons and it wouldn't even help you if someone threatened you.

 

[BSM1]

Best choice: My boyfriend. He was in the marines.

Semper Fi.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I had my very rude awakening from any illusion that it cant happen to me.

I cant believe people who talk psranoid fantasy. It is no fantasy, and if you live,
you will never ever get over it and be the same.

A friend of mine was attacked pretty bad he now has a legal open carry permit. He's never been attacked again since.

 

[Curious George]

So data showing that having a gun in the home puts one at a higher risk for gun violence over non-armed homes doesn't tell us anything? What???

Well it shows that there is a problem, that is about it.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Mine's safer, thank you very much. In all fairness, I have advised many of my clients not to purchase a firearm for one simple reason--they weren't ready to take another human life even in protecting their own. As harsh as this sounds, if you hesitate, you die. And you may very well die. That's the world we live in and no amount of legislation is going to change it.

That was said quite often when I was in the military.

"The quick and the dead".

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Creating gun bans is belief that you have the right to take away a right based on the majority. In some situations this is okay. I believe we should be able to take away businesses right to advertise in any way they like, I believe we should be able to prevent landlords from contracting away tenant rights or providing unlivable conditions. I believe we should be able to limit or take away a great many things. Guns at the federal level are not one of those things.

I don't believe gun ownership should be a "right" in the first place and certainly not at the Constitutional level. The 2nd Amendment was a totally ridiculous idea and I would love to see it repealed (idealistic, I know) or at least rewritten or interpreted in an originalist fashion. It is not recognized as a right in any other nation I am aware of, including France, our sister in Enlightenment revolution. America has a very unique and strong culture of violence which isn't found in any other developed nation I know of. It is very, very strange. It's a sort of Wild West mentality were we view each other as at least potential enemies and with suspicion and not as members of a community that cares about each other.

 

[Revoltingest]

Just a note, make sure you have the spray nozzle pointed in the right direction. Tried to spray the neighbor's dog a few years back and had the canister turned around. Never heard a dog laugh before.

I actually consider this when buying it. It should always
be a natural pointer....in the correct direction. And
training isn't a bad idea

 

[Revoltingest]

Best choice: My boyfriend. He was in the marines.

I want like a boyfriend from the marines now!
But of course, if you had pepper spray, then you could defend him.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Well it shows that there is a problem, that is about it.

Yeah, and the problem is fairly obvious but you're in denial about it.

 

[Curious George]

I don't believe gun ownership should be a "right" in the place and certainly not at the Constitutional level. The 2nd Amendment was a totally ridiculous idea and I would love to see it repealed (idealistic, I know). It is not recognized as a right in any other nation I am aware of, including France, our sister in Enlightenment revolution. America has a very unique and strong culture of violence which isn't found in any other developed nation I know of. It is very, very strange. It's a sort of Wild West mentality were we view each other as at least potential enemies and with suspicion and not as members of a community that cares about each other.

I think that a right to self defense is entailed in a right to life and liberty. I think that a right to self defense entails a right to weaponry. I think that such rights are so quintessential and paramount that the idea of challenging them is very much mind blowing. I get why people would want to decrease guns. It seems like an easy fix to a perceived problem. I have trouble seeing how anyone who puts thought into it continues down that path other than because they are digging their feet in the sand. Guns very much seem like a reasonable choice for self defense to me. I have a hard time trying to understand why others feel they are not a reasonable choice.

In my mind it comes down to whether a person is making a reasonable choice for self defense. If they are, then it should be unquestionable that they are entitled to make that choice as it stems from a right to life and liberty.

 

[Curious George]

Yeah, and the problem is fairly obvious but you're in denial about it.

Is the problem a higher suicide rate? Is the problem a higher murder rate? Is the problem a higher accident rate? What exactly is the problem? Because the data does not show that the mere existence or presence of guns is the problem?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I think that a right to self defense is entailed in a right to life and liberty. I think that a right to self defense entails a right to weaponry. I think that such rights are so quintessential and paramount that the idea of challenging them is very much mind blowing. I get why people would want to decrease guns. It seems like an easy fix to a perceived problem. I have trouble seeing how anyone who puts thought into it continues down that path other than because they are digging their feet in the sand. Guns very much seem like a reasonable choice for self defense to me. I have a hard time trying to understand why others feel they are not a reasonable choice.

In my mind it comes down to whether a person is making a reasonable choice for self defense. If they are, then it should be unquestionable that they are entitled to make that choice as it stems from a right to life and liberty.

A right to self-defense does not necessatate a right to weaponry. You may defend yourself in non-lethal manners that do not pose a risk to other citizens. You do not have the right to choose fully automatic rifles (unless you have a special permit), machine guns, grenades, mortars, tanks, etc. as a part of your personal arsenal. So certainly we do draw the line somewhere.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Is the problem a higher suicide rate? Is the problem a higher murder rate? Is the problem a higher accident rate? What exactly is the problem? Because the data does not show that the mere existence or presence of guns is the problem?

Obviously if someone is getting shot, the gun is the immediate problem.

 

[Audie]

A friend of mine was attacked pretty bad he now has a legal open carry permit. He's never been attacked again since.

I think the stats show by far the most times a gun is used in defense, no shots fired, nobody
hurt. Best outcome!

As for me- things did not go well for me. No way at all to defend myself.

I've endured ptsd, really very traumatized. I think, any repeat,
I would be so terrified, I'd be paralyzed, like I said. I dont think
I am representative of how other
women would react to danger. Some
very courageous level headed ladies.

I'd actually suggest ye would-be rapist not find out!