This is why Black Lives SHOULD Matter

[Saint Frankenstein]

If you absolutely have to know - they were mostly people. But clearly your genetic pedigree must be very important to you, so would you mind sharing which ancient dynasty you're a distant scion of?

Pathetic attempt at trying to distract from the fact that you have no reply to what I said. You shouldn't have replied at all in that case.

 

[Kooky]

I'm talking about who you are descended from in general, not establishing your pedigree for the monarchy. But you knew that. Obviously you have no reply to the rest of my post. Fine with me.

What reply would I have to your hot take on US race relations? Nothing in that portion of your post has anything at all to do with what I wrote, it's just a disconnected rant over nothing.

And if I recall correctly, you were the one who needed to engage with me, not the other way around, so your "fine by me" is just as hollow as your inane "race realism".

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

What reply would I have to your hot take on US race relations? Nothing in that portion of your post has anything at all to do with what I wrote, it's just a disconnected rant over nothing.

And if I recall correctly, you were the one who needed to engage with me, not the other way around, so your "fine by me" is just as hollow as your inane "race realism".

If you don't want to debate your contentions that not only race but culture, ethnicity and religion are all "made up", maybe you should've have made such statements in a debate thread. People will question you. But I'm not interested in the petty, trollish games you always play. Have a nice day.

 

[Kooky]

If you don't want to debate your contentions that not only race but culture, ethnicity and religion are all "made up", maybe you should've have made such statements in a debate thread. People will question you. But I'm not interested in the petty, trollish games you always play. Have a nice day.

And once more with feeling, a smokescreen to hide that you had no argument and no intent to engage me in good faith,

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

And once more with feeling, a smokescreen to hide that you had no argument and no intent to engage me in good faith,

I tried to argue with you, and you didn't respond, but chose to derail into trying to joke or whatever. Don't gaslight me. The posts are there for all to see.

 

[Jose Fly]

The Concept of "Race" Is a Lie - Scientific American Blog Network

While "race" is an artificial human construct, "ethnicity" is a real thing.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The Concept of "Race" Is a Lie - Scientific American Blog Network

While "race" is an artificial human construct, "ethnicity" is a real thing.

That's more of a political article than having to do with science.

 

[Jose Fly]

That's more of a political article than having to do with science.

If you want a more sciencey type writeup, here ya' go...

ASHG Denounces Attempts to Link Genetics and Racial Supremacy: The American Journal of Human Genetics (cell.com)

"Genetics demonstrates that humans cannot be divided into biologically distinct subcategories. Although there are clear observable correlations between variation in the human genome and how individuals identify by race, the study of human genetics challenges the traditional concept of different races of humans as biologically separate and distinct. This is validated by many decades of research, including recent examples."​

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

If you want a more sciencey type writeup, here ya' go...

ASHG Denounces Attempts to Link Genetics and Racial Supremacy: The American Journal of Human Genetics (cell.com)

"Genetics demonstrates that humans cannot be divided into biologically distinct subcategories. Although there are clear observable correlations between variation in the human genome and how individuals identify by race, the study of human genetics challenges the traditional concept of different races of humans as biologically separate and distinct. This is validated by many decades of research, including recent examples."​

Well, I already knew this. That's basically a statement denouncing racial supremacism (which isn't only a "white" thing) and the idea of "pure races". I'm sure we can all agree with that.

 

[Jose Fly]

Well, I already knew this. That's basically a statement denouncing racial supremacism (which isn't only a "white" thing) and the idea of "pure races". I'm sure we can all agree with that.

Right, but it also shows that what we commonly think of as "race" isn't a real biological/genetic thing. For example, me thinking I'm of the "white race" would be a mistake, since I have genetic traits from a variety of "non-white" ancestors. A more accurate way to put it would be that I am "of German ethnicity".

IOW, we're all "mixed-race".

 

[Revoltingest]

Hispanic is very cultural. It's not just having the genetic background, it's also being fluent in Spanish.
And as I pointed out even a room roughly half full of Latinos and several of them wanting to use a gender neutral word for themselves, if they don't know Spanish they won't claim it.
And scant traces of the background along with (and primarily) zero fluency in Spanish and knowledge of Latino culture is why my ex's boyfriend gets called a "dumb white boy" by his Hispanic coworkers. Admittedly, I didn't know myself what it meant myself until I moved here and learned it straight from the horses mouth.

So Latinos make racist remarks about whites, eh.
"White" people are hardly as uniform in culture as they think.

 

[Kooky]

I tried to argue with you, and you didn't respond, but chose to derail into trying to joke or whatever. Don't gaslight me. The posts are there for all to see.

And now you claim that I am psychologically abusing you (gaslighting is a form of abuse).
Yea, if there ever was a chance to have something approaching a discussion, it's long gone by this point.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So Latinos make racist remarks about whites, eh.
"White" people are hardly as uniform in culture as they think.

No, they are angered over a specific white guy trying to appropriate something that's not rightfully his to claim.
Sort of like my own example how it would probably be equally unwelcomed if I insisted I'm Cherokee because of one line of ancestors and no tribal records or even real knowledge of them. That would understandable not be cool.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Right, but it also shows that what we commonly think of as "race" isn't a real biological/genetic thing. For example, me thinking I'm of the "white race" would be a mistake, since I have genetic traits from a variety of "non-white" ancestors. A more accurate way to put it would be that I am "of German ethnicity".

IOW, we're all "mixed-race".

I like comparing us to breeds of dogs, because it's about the same thing going on and dogs are a good model for us to strive to live up to.

 

[Revoltingest]

No, they are angered over a specific white guy trying to appropriate something that's not rightfully his to claim.

And they made it about race.
If a group of whites were angered about what some
black guy did, & made it about his race, that would
be racist. We shouldn't excuse or deny racism just
because it comes from some minority group.

Sort of like my own example how it would probably be equally unwelcomed if I insisted I'm Cherokee because of one line of ancestors and no tribal records or even real knowledge of them. That would understandable not be cool.

That's a red herring. You're not Cherokee for the
simple reason that you're not Cherokee in any way,
neither culturally, genetically, or phenotypically.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That's a red herring. You're not Cherokee for the
simple reason that you're not Cherokee in any way,
neither culturally, genetically, or phenotypically.

And that's how it is with this guy who claims he's Hispanic. Culturally, genetically, and phenotypically he's just not one of them. He keeps going on about it, keeps insisting he is, so he got called a dumb white boy at work over it.
I can't say I blame them, including the race part to emphasis that's who he is.

 

[Revoltingest]

And that's how it is with this guy who claims he's Hispanic. Culturally, genetically, and phenotypically he's just not one of them. He keeps going on about it, keeps insisting he is, so he got called a dumb white boy at work over it.
I can't say I blame them, including the race part to emphasis that's who he is.

This is still using "white" as a negative epithet.
Imagine insulting a BLM protester as a "dumb black boy".
All I did was switch out the race.
Yet it would be obviously racist.
We should not excuse or deny racism from minorities.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

This is still using "white" as a negative epithet.
They shouldn't be racist. We shouldn't be racist.

Two wrongs don't make a right, but I see more irritation, to put it lightly, than race. He is, after all, the one who made it about race by incorrectly claiming to be Hispanic.

 

[Stevicus]

Well, there ya go....an example of
someone racist against their own race.

I don't know if I would characterize it the same way.

 

[fantome profane]

Believe or not, there are genetic differences between races.
This should help...
Race and genetics - Wikipedia

But even this has a huge subjective component. Yes certain populations will have a higher or lower frequency of specific genetic traits. But which genetic (or phenotypic) traits are considered relevant in delineating “race” is subjective. Skin colour, hair colour, nose shape etc.

And there is still a cultural factor in the way the concept is understood in society.

And obviously racists and bigots are rarely scientifically literate.