This is why Black Lives SHOULD Matter

[Revoltingest]

How can they be racist against their own race?

Tribal affiliation (liberal) trumps racial affiliation.

 

[Stevicus]

Tribal affiliation (liberal) trumps racial affiliation.

Or maybe another possibility is that some people have a conscience. It's just like back during the Vietnam War era, some people would criticize our government for bombing women and children. Those people would be viewed as traitors who hate America. They would be told "America, love it or leave it." I never agreed with that logic.

 

[Revoltingest]

Or maybe another possibility is that some people have a conscience.

Almost all have one of those.
It shouldn't cause one to be racist
towards one's own group...or any other.

 

[Stevicus]

Almost all have one of those.
It shouldn't cause one to be racist
towards one's own group...or any other.

It doesn't mean they're racist towards any group, though.

I'll admit there might be some who, perhaps, tend to overcompensate, acting a bit too self-abasing or even smarmy. I recall a recent article about a white teacher who was attending a seminar and started crying about how horrible she was because she was white. I'll admit some of the group therapy aspects can be over the top, but even then, I don't think it's racism towards whites.

I think it's more a consequence of how political expediency can often be disingenuous and false.

 

[Revoltingest]

It doesn't mean they're racist towards any group, though.

I'll admit there might be some who, perhaps, tend to overcompensate, acting a bit too self-abasing or even smarmy. I recall a recent article about a white teacher who was attending a seminar and started crying about how horrible she was because she was white.

Well, there ya go....an example of
someone racist against their own race.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Hispanics (typically white) calling other people "white".

That's because this guy is white and knows absolutely nothing about Spanish culture, doesn't know a lick of Spanish beyond the Taco Bell menu, but insists he be considered Hispanic anyways.
It would kind of be like me claiming to be Cherokee first, and insist people call me Cherokee because there's a line of them not too far back, but I have no tribal records and barely know anything about Cherokee culture and history. It would be easily understandable why they wouldn't consider me one of them.

How can they be racist against their own race?

These sorts usually deride all white people as racist, go one about how all white people mistreat others, tend to assume all white people are equally privileged, generally do not give a damn it's something from a white culture that is misused and misappropriated, and claim all white people share a common background and history.
Prejudgements, categorizing with very large brushes, hypocrisy and turning a blind eye. identity erasure and denial, and what makes it worse is unlike more traditional racists you don't necessarily know where you stand with these sorts until they spring a trapped door on you (this also does include against black people, as these groups are among the most racially homogeneous out there).

 

[Revoltingest]

That's because this guy is white and knows absolutely nothing about Spanish culture, doesn't know a lick of Spanish beyond the Taco Bell menu, but insists he be considered Hispanic anyways.
It would kind of be like me claiming to be Cherokee first, and insist people call me Cherokee because there's a line of them not too far back, but I have no tribal records and barely know anything about Cherokee culture and history. It would be easily understandable why they wouldn't consider me one of them.

These sorts usually deride all white people as racist, go one about how all white people mistreat others, tend to assume all white people are equally privileged, generally do not give a damn it's something from a white culture that is misused and misappropriated, and claim all white people share a common background and history.
Prejudgements, categorizing with very large brushes, hypocrisy and turning a blind eye. identity erasure and denial, and what makes it worse is unlike more traditional racists you don't necessarily know where you stand with these sorts until they spring a trapped door on you (this also does include against black people, as these groups are among the most racially homogeneous out there).

So "Hispanic" is a non-white race if the white Hispanic
is fully integrated with Hispanic culture, but his race
changes to white if he is too Anglo? Piffle! Pish posh!

 

[Kooky]

So "Hispanic" is a no-white race if the white Hispanic
is fully integrated with Hispanic culture, but his race
changes to white if he is too Anglo? Piffle! Pish posh!

Don't you, too, think it's weird how a made up category like "race" with no basis in scientific fact can flip flop depending on cultural context and political convenience, and is frequently conflated with other made up categories like culture, ethnicity, and religion?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Don't you, too, think it's weird how a made up category like "race" with no basis in scientific fact can flip flop depending on cultural context and political convenience, and is frequently conflated with other made up categories like culture, ethnicity, and religion?

Everything is "made up" to you, isn't it?

 

[Kooky]

Everything is "made up" to you, isn't it?

Did you want to address anything in particular in my post?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Do you want to address anything I actually wrote in my post?

Yeah, just that culture, ethnicity and religion are not "made up". The existence of physical racial differences isn't a social construct, either, but the popular racial categories of "white" and "black" are not accurate. Unless you wish to clarify what it is you are actually saying?

 

[Kooky]

Yeah, just that culture, ethnicity and religion are not "made up".

They are social constructions, i.e. constructions of our minds, i.e. collective imaginations that we make real by acting as if they were. There is nothing about these things that isn't made up, either by individuals or collectives.

The existence of physical racial differences isn't a social construct, either, but the popular racial categories of "white" and "black" are not accurate. Unless you wish to clarify what it is you are actually saying?

There is no scientific support for "races", least of all for the racial categories that are dominating American culture.

They consist of nothing more or less than cultural stereotypes and ethnic practices, and even those distinctions are minimal when viewed from a foreigner's point of view. The one thing that's - from my foreigner's perspective - exceptional about America's ethnic distinctions is their enormous differential in power and social status, and the staggering economic injustices that still exist along those ethnic fault lines (although the latter are less exceptional when viewed globally).

 

[Revoltingest]

Don't you, too, think it's weird how a made up category like "race" with no basis in scientific fact can flip flop depending on cultural context and political convenience, and is frequently conflated with other made up categories like culture, ethnicity, and religion?

Believe or not, there are genetic differences between races.
This should help...
Race and genetics - Wikipedia

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So "Hispanic" is a no-white race if the white Hispanic
is fully integrated with Hispanic culture, but his race
changes to white if he is too Anglo? Piffle! Pish posh!

Hispanic is very cultural. It's not just having the genetic background, it's also being fluent in Spanish.
And as I pointed out even a room roughly half full of Latinos and several of them wanting to use a gender neutral word for themselves, if they don't know Spanish they won't claim it.
And scant traces of the background along with (and primarily) zero fluency in Spanish and knowledge of Latino culture is why my ex's boyfriend gets called a "dumb white boy" by his Hispanic coworkers. Admittedly, I didn't know myself what it meant myself until I moved here and learned it straight from the horses mouth.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

They are social constructions, i.e. constructions of our minds, i.e. collective imaginations that we make real by acting as if they were. There is nothing about these things that isn't made up, either by individuals or collectives.

No, they aren't. They're spheres of human activity, expression or ancestral lineage. Are your ancestors and their genes "made up"?

There is no scientific support for "races", least of all for the racial categories that are dominating American culture.

Population geneticists, physical anthropologists, anatomists and biologists would be surprised to hear that. There are biological differences between populations. That's simply reality.

The one thing that's - from my foreigner's perspective - exceptional about America's ethnic distinctions is their enormous differential in power and social status, and the staggering economic injustices that still exist along those ethnic fault lines (although the latter are less exceptional when viewed globally).

There's more poor white people than poor black people in the US. There's plenty of whites who live in the hood right alongside the blacks, too. I'm afraid your perspective is a bit skewed. Black people aren't some downtrodden oppressed people in the US. They can go to school, have careers and be president, too Even much of American culture IS black culture, so huge is the influence that black people have had in America. The US has produced many of the wealthiest, most influential black people in history. I understand that the media is presenting an alternate reality to those who aren't able to see it for themselves, though.

 

[Jose Fly]

Advisor To Major Pro-Trump Group Runs Racist Newsletter | Talking Points Memo

It was an email so racist it might make a ku klux klansman blush.

An advisor for the influential conservative youth organization Turning Point USA recently published an essay for subscribers of his personal newsletter that, among other things, said Black people have “become socially incompatible with other races” and “American Black culture has evolved into an un-fixable and crime-ridden mess.”

It also said white people aren’t racist but “just exhausted” with Black people. It portrayed post-Civil War America as a 150-year-long “experiment” to see whether Black people could be “taken from the jungles of Africa,” enslaved, and then integrated into a majority-white society. It said that experiment had failed.

The email, which included Turning Point’s logo and a fundraising appeal for the group, was sent out on April 29 by Rip McIntosh, an 85-year-old white Florida man who sits on the organization’s advisory council, a board that includes the likes of former Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) and, until his recent death, GOP mega donor Foster Friess.​

 

[Shadow Wolf]

They are social constructions, i.e. constructions of our minds, i.e. collective imaginations that we make real by acting as if they were. There is nothing about these things that isn't made up, either by individuals or collectives.

My lack of melanin and elevated risk of skin cancer is very definitely shared with a certain group of people who's ancestors have been evolving on some very overcast, rainy, dreary islands ever since the ice retreated after the last Ice Age.
That's definitely different genetically than those who's ancestors mostly stayed put in Africa and are retained those levels of melanin.
And we can go even deeper into details like that, such as the differences between the hips of those of an Eastern European heritage and those of a Celtic heritage. Caucasian women tend to have larger breasts overall, and even the average heights of Central and Southern Asians tend to be different.

 

[Kooky]

No, they aren't. They're spheres of human activity, expression or ancestral lineage. Are your ancestors and their genes "made up"?

LOL, "ancestral lineage". Who do you think I am, the Queen of England?
The overwhelming portion of my genetic code is the same as yours, and the greatest variations exist between individuals, not arbitrarily constructed categories like "race".

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

LOL, "ancestral lineage". Who do you think I am, the Queen of England?

I'm talking about who you are descended from in general, not establishing your pedigree for the monarchy. But you knew that. Obviously you have no reply to the rest of my post. Fine with me.

 

[Kooky]

I'm talking about who you are descended from in general, not establishing your pedigree for the monarchy.

If you absolutely have to know - they were mostly people. But clearly your genetic pedigree must be very important to you, so would you mind sharing which ancient dynasty you're a distant scion of?